How Belichick lost his place in posterity

Wozzy said:

They were a top ten offense the two years prior, they led the entire NFL in passing yards two years in a row, third overall in passing TD's. Arians was also building a top ranked defense with the #1 run defense in the league.

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Newsflash: your cherry picked stats do absolutely nothing to support your thesis. What you just described is most definitely not a “superteam”.

They were 12-20 the two years prior to Brady’s arrival. All your pathetic cherry picking ignores the one single stat people actually care about: wins and losses.

LOL the guy whose entire existence is dedicated to telling people football is a team sport now wants us to believe the 12-20 Buccaneers were a “superteam”.

XLIX said:

Newsflash: your cherry picked stats do absolutely nothing to support your thesis. What you just described is most definitely not a “superteam”.

They were 12-20 the two years prior to Brady’s arrival. All your pathetic cherry picking ignores the one single stat people actually care about: wins and losses.

LOL the guy whose entire existence is dedicated to telling people football is a team sport now wants us to believe the 12-20 Buccaneers were a “superteam”.

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There's nothing cherry picked in saying the Buc's offense led the entire NFL in passing yards and was 3rd in passing TD's in 2018 and 2019. That's referred to as a fact.

There's nothing cherry picked about saying the Buc's D was ranked #1 in the NFL in rushing yards allowed in 2019. That's referred to as a fact.

The 2019 Bucs specifically were the best roster in the NFL without a QB. They had the best weapons in the NFL and a top defense on the rise the moment Arians took over the team. Wins/losses is a team stat. Your BB hatred doesn't change facts.

Facts suck for you.

Wozzy said:

There's nothing cherry picked about saying the Buc's D was ranked #1 in the NFL in rushing yards allowed in 2019. That's referred to as a fact.

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Yeah it is cherry picking when you take the #29 defense in points allowed and #30 in passing yards and give us only their ranking aginst the run. Who the f*ck cares about run yards when the opponents are passing the ball up and down the field at will and scoring at will?

By focusing on run defense and ignoring pass defense and points allowed, you are actually demonstrating textbook cherry picking. You're just not smart enough to realize it. Facts suck for you.

Wozzy said:

The 2019 Bucs specifically were the best roster in the NFL without a QB. They had the best weapons in the NFL and a top defense on the rise the moment Arians took over the team. Wins/losses is a team stat. Your BB hatred doesn't change facts.

Facts suck for you.

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As your idol has reminded us so often: Stats are for losers. Guess that's why you are so heavily focused on them.

FACT: Your so-called "superteam" was 12-20 in the 2 years prior to Brady's arrival. Anything else is just stats, and stats are for losers.

Pape said:

Jfc

Again?

Wtf

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Then don’t read it.

captain stone said:

Then don’t read it.

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I haven't. other than the initial post and a cheeky reply to Ian, see any discussion in the thread by me? **** no.

People want to keep kicking themselves in the nuts over and over about the same topic? Be my guest.

And when we see another ******** thread about the same ****ing thing, I will echo the same sentiments. Don't like my post, i offer the same response: don't read it.

Triumph said:

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Must be talking to your boy Zappe standing in front of him.

Wozzy said:

Tom was a free agent, he chose to leave. And BB wasn't trying to prove he could win without Tom, he doesn't think like a silly fan on a football forum.

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Lowballing Tom, or not giving him 2 years like he wanted, was akin to pushing him out. Tom didn't choose to leave. Sorry but please no revisionist history here.

Biffins said:

Lowballing Tom, or not giving him 2 years like he wanted, was akin to pushing him out. Tom didn't choose to leave. Sorry but please no revisionist history here.

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No revisionist history, Tom insisted on the no franchise tag prior to agreeing to play out his last season. That was his choice. Clearly he thought the team might still use that and he didn't want it, so that would make it his choice.

signbabybrady said:

No revisionist history, Tom insisted on the no franchise tag prior to agreeing to play out his last season. That was his choice. Clearly he thought the team might still use that and he didn't want it, so that would make it his choice.

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had brady been given the long term deal he requested earlier instead of being told he was in decline and only should get 1 year prove it deals...then he is not unhappy and not leaving...he probably never gets #7 given the trajectory of the roster. but he doesn't leave. why we continue to pretend that brady got up one day and said "i want to leave" is beyond me.

heck, if Bill gives brady more than sanu and n'keal harry in 2019 brady may not have left. But brady saw the writing on the wall. Bill tried to trade gronk in 2018 and was giving brady lowball offers. he jumped ship only when he realized he had no future in new england.

RIpats88 said:

had brady been given the long term deal he requested earlier instead of being told he was in decline and only should get 1 year prove it deals...then he is not unhappy and not leaving...he probably never gets #7 given the trajectory of the roster. but he doesn't leave. why we continue to pretend that brady got up one day and said "i want to leave" is beyond me.

heck, if Bill gives brady more than sanu and n'keal harry in 2019 brady may not have left. But brady saw the writing on the wall. Bill tried to trade gronk in 2018 and was giving brady lowball offers. he jumped ship only when he realized he had no future in new england.

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I'm not pretending that it happened in one day but nothing you describe makes this any less of a choice by Brady.

He decided to leave and he made his choice before the 2019 season. But according to you he knew that Harry would be a bust and that Sanu wouldn't be enough at the trade deadline even though it was after he decided on the no Franchise clause.

Biffins said:

BB and Brady have only been out of football for 3 months total. You make it sound like we have been discussing their careers for years, when the careers only just ended.

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Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining. This has been going on since Tom won #7 in Tampa.
Because we lost internet for 4 days,I rewatched all 6 SB season during that time. Every single game I saw BB make crucial coaching decisions that contributed to winning those 6 SB wins. I also saw Tom make bonehead throws that made the games closer than they had to be. I also saw Tom lead the team to those victories.
They are both the Greatest of All Time. So let's stop the silly comparisons based of stupid stats.

Sorry

Biffins said:

Lowballing Tom, or not giving him 2 years like he wanted, was akin to pushing him out. Tom didn't choose to leave. Sorry but please no revisionist history here.

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Please stop this nonsense once and for all. The bottom line was that Brady was given choices he didn't like but they WERE choices, including stay or go. When he left both parties concluded they were serving their respective interests. The Patriots made a mistake that became obvious in hindsight. This has been hashed over enough.

XLIX said:

Yeah it is cherry picking when you take the #29 defense in points allowed and #30 in passing yards and give us only their ranking aginst the run. Who the f*ck cares about run yards when the opponents are passing the ball up and down the field at will and scoring at will?

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Because you don’t know how to read stats… that’s a “you” problem.

The 2019 Bucs defense was ranked 18th in points allowed per drive but they were 5th best in forced turnovers. Their cornerbacks were also made up of first and second year players in 2019, young and inexperienced but very athletic. They had the best run defense in the league.

In 2019 Jameis Winston led the entire NFL in turnovers, he led the league in pick sixes… you’re taking those points and attributing them to the Buc’s D. Again… you don’t know how to read stats.

XLIX said:

By focusing on run defense and ignoring pass defense and points allowed, you are actually demonstrating textbook cherry picking. You're just not smart enough to realize it. Facts suck for you.

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You don’t understand the facts, this just makes it look worse for you the more you reply and showcase your ignorance.

XLIX said:

As your idol has reminded us so often: Stats are for losers. Guess that's why you are so heavily focused on them.

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Sports figures aren’t my idols. But I admire both Brady and BB, the truth matters more than your petty agenda. Stats tell a tale, you just hate the truth they reveal because it makes your narrative look wrong.

XLIX said:

FACT: Your so-called "superteam" was 12-20 in the 2 years prior to Brady's arrival. Anything else is just stats, and stats are for losers.

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There was a great conversation months ago on the Ringer podcast that shed some real light on the 2019 Tampa situation. I'll relay it to you kind of the way they discussed it, it started with a question by Bill Simmons to his co-host... keep in mind they weren't discussing Brady or the Bucs… just the subject of turnovers and how important they were.

There's been 10 teams since 2015 that averaged over 2 turnovers offensively per game, how many of them have been 500 or better?

Zero was the answer. The average number of wins for all these teams was four.

The 2019 Bucs had the most turnovers of all ten teams (41) and they had the best record at 7-9 of all ten teams.

Jameis Winston's 30 Interceptions in 2019 is tied for 6th worst in NFL history. His 12 fumbles was tied for 5th worst in the NFL that season. That team was dead last in total turnovers in 2019, the majority of which was caused by the one guy most responsible for protecting the ball... the QB.

Jameis Winston led the entire NFL in passing yards in 2019, he threw 33 TD's. So you saying Tom Brady brought some magical elements beyond mainly protecting the ball is ridiculous fan gushing.

This isn't Rudy or a Disney movie, these are full grown adults playing a sport they played their whole life. Ball security and yes, bringing in other players who wanted to play with him. Beyond QB and LT the Bucs were the absolute best team he could have gone to.

You can’t understand facts or stats, so of course you hate them. They still suck for you, whether you know it or not.

Biffins said:

Lowballing Tom, or not giving him 2 years like he wanted, was akin to pushing him out. Tom didn't choose to leave. Sorry but please no revisionist history here.

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He was a free agent, it’s the “free” in free agent that’s confusing you.

Tom Brady chose to take less money from 2014 on, contracts are a two way street. He wasn’t a slave, and he was clearly working in tandem with the Patriots to game the salary cap. They went to 4 Super Bowls and won 3 of them.

You’re emotional, you let it cloud your reason and rationale thinking. Tom left, he was smart to leave. Sticking around for a rebuild at 43 would have been dumb, especially with the wife hassling him to move them to Florida.

593 replies in this stupid f*cking thread started by a hater known for his dogshit content. Oy Vey.

Wozzy said:

You can’t understand facts or stats, so of course you hate them. They still suck for you, whether you know it or not.

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TLDR but the bottom line is this: Stats are for losers. No wonder you’re so obsessed with them.

12-20 before Brady arrived. That’s a fact, Mr football is a team sport. It takes a special type of moron to call 12-20 a superteam.

XLIX said:

TLDR but the bottom line is this: Stats are for losers. No wonder you’re so obsessed with them.

12-20 before Brady arrived. That’s a fact, Mr football is a team sport. It takes a special type of moron to call 12-20 a superteam.

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The 49ers were 1-10 before JimmyG became the starter the year he was traded there. He went 5-0 on a team that had won a single game before he took over and doubled their points per game.

QB’s are pretty important, you can win with an average one, but you can’t win with a bad one. There’s a reason why Jameis Winston has been sitting on a bench since the age of 26.

It’s a team sport, you don’t understand because you think one magical player is responsible for everything. It would be cute if you were 12 years old… but you’re not.

Stop pushing flat earth theory, it’s dumb.

Wozzy said:

The 49ers were 1-10 before JimmyG became the starter the year he was traded there. He went 5-0 on a team that had won a single game before he took over.

QB’s are pretty important, you can win with an average one, but you can’t win with a bad one. There’s a reason why Jameis Winston has been sitting on the bench since the age of 26.

It’s a team sport, you don’t understand because you think one magical player is responsible for everything. It would be cute if you were 12 years old… but you’re not.

Stop pushing flat earth theory, it’s dumb.

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Translation: when talking about Brady, it’s a team sport. When talking about any other team, QBs all of a sudden are important.

XLIX said:

Translation: when talking about Brady, it’s a team sport. When talking about any other team, QBs all of a sudden are important.

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It’s always a team sport… always.

You just think pointing out that it’s a team sport is somehow demeaning to Brady because you’re a fanboy who believes unicorns are real.

If this dumb theory that you and the other zealots here are pushing was accurate, if Tom was wholly responsible for the Patriots success and he was so much better than Manning, Brees, Rogers, Staffords, Ben Rapistburger and all of his peers… he would have closer to 23 rings than 7.

It’s silly fanboy nonsense.

Wozzy said:

It’s always a team sport… always.

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The the 12-20 Bucs were not a “superteam.” Thank you for coming around finally.