How Belichick lost his place in posterity

rogerthat said:

Slightly off topic, but I think Mark Rypien is one of the most underrated QBs that I've ever seen. He was very good at his apex.

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venecol said:

The players would've definitely noticed that. Nonsense.

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venecol said:

He warmed up. He played a ST snap.

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State said:

Yes. But we live in an age of PR. This is the image people esp on the outside have: it was more Brady than anything else. Esp in the later years.

And that will be hard to shake. It might just be the motivation for BB to go back into coaching. But any owner would be amiss if he allowed Bill to also be the GM.

Cuz GM Bill brought us the mess we have now on offense.

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venecol said:

Reid is a damn good coach. Always has been. He's got 3 losing seasons in 25 years. That's outstanding. His best QBs were McNabb, Vick and Smith, none of which are HOFers.

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venecol said:

This is more than winning SBs, but how they did as coaches w/o their HOF QB.

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Biffins said:

Yeah, cuz everyone calls it the Starr Trophy not the Lombardi Trophy.

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Wax Frog said:

Yep. I just can't see BB screwing himself and his team out of a title just to make a point. Surely there would have been other disciplinary actions available with a better fitting level of impact.

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Biffins said:

Come on. Noone will ever hire him again.

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Hyped said:

Never say never.

Say the Cowboys implode again in January 2025....Jerrah will find himself a year closer to his grave and no Lombardi for 30 years.....

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maust said:

You don't seem to understand. Biffins has made his pronouncement, his PRONOUNCEMENT SIR!
Good day to you!

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maust said:

You don't seem to understand. Biffins has made his pronouncement, his PRONOUNCEMENT SIR!
Good day to you!

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biffin​

Clonamery said:

Maybe Noone will hire him.

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Tunescribe said:

Seems to me that going by "Biffins" is an automatic credibility killer.

biffin​

[ bif-in ]
noun
a deep-red cooking apple native to Britain.

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maust said:

Impugning British cooking apples? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
I'll have you know British cooking apples are every bit as credible as their American cousins and I'm fully prepared to go on for a good 3-4 pages on the subject (unless Andy shows up, then I'm out)

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maust said:

Impugning British cooking apples? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
I'll have you know British cooking apples are every bit as credible as their American cousins and I'm fully prepared to go on for a good 3-4 pages on the subject (unless Andy shows up, then I'm out)

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Tunescribe said:

Well, if they yield good dry hard cider I will relent.

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maust said:

I believe the idea is it's the apples that are supposed to get baked.
YMMV

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Tunescribe said:

Seems to me that going by "Biffins" is an automatic credibility killer.

biffin​

[ bif-in ]
noun
a deep-red cooking apple native to Britain.

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Tunescribe said:

This perspective is terribly myopic, lacking important context. Many moving parts comprised the winning program Belichick constructed from front office to assistant coaches, scouting and quality control (via the likes of Ernie Adams). His innovative emphasis on versatile mid-level and end-of-roster talent kept Patriots teams competitive for years. Brady was an important component but didn't operate in a vacuum, groomed by skilled OCs and complemented by consistently excellent defenses/special teams units under BB's watch.

Toward the end, league rule changes overemphasizing offense and minimizing the impact of special teams blunted built-in advantages of Belichick's philosophical approach. Success-driven staff attrition, both in the front office and coaching ranks, generated a revolving-door brain drain harming program continuity. Belichick spread himself too thin trying to compensate and fell short in personnel management at all levels. This ultimately manifested in the win-loss columns, spelling his ouster. But it's to the credit of Brady and BB that together, they overcame sea changes in both how the league operated and their own program to achieve second-phase dynasty titles in 2014, 2016 and 2018.

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farn said:

Brady went to a loaded Tampa team while BB stuck around for a rebuild. BB also took a dumpster fire Cleveland team to the playoffs and was building a winner until the owner decided to skip town. When BB was given the all star lineup Brady had in Tampa - in 2008 - he took a guy who last started QB in high school to an 11-5 record that would’ve been playoff worthy any other year in his time in NE.

The comparisons are ridiculous. All great coaches had either all pro QBs or legendary units (such as Baltimore / Tampa twenty+ years ago).

It was time for BB to move on. But to start this up again is futile and comical.

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Tunescribe said:

Seems to me that going by "Biffins" is an automatic credibility killer.

biffin​

[ bif-in ]
noun
a deep-red cooking apple native to Britain.

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