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In 2017 he was terrible. He was disgruntled about his contract, he got abused on the field. Against the Dolphins he got smoked by Jay Cutler and a 5 foot tall WR named Jakeem Grant, then had the balls to go on socials and blame his coaches after the game.
Butler was so terrible, Belichick had him play the most snaps (97.8%) of any defensive player, including McCourty. Makes perfect sense. Lol
 
Butler was so terrible, Belichick had him play the most snaps (97.8%) of any defensive player, including McCourty. Makes perfect sense. Lol
Must of been something significant that prompted the sudden change what do you think that might have been?
 
Mayo cancels O.T.A.s until April 8th. He had a chance to begin a little early but changed his mind? Is his staff ready???
He didn't cancel anything. He chose to start a week later to make sure all his coaches (of which there's a ton of new ones) were on the same page. There's four other teams w/ new HCs that chose the same start.
 
Must of been something significant that prompted the sudden change what do you think that might have been?

Perhaps an antisemitic remark?
Just tossing it out as an example of something unforgivable
Or maybe he trashed Nike?
 
Perhaps an antisemitic remark?
Just tossing it out as an example of something unforgivable
Or maybe he trashed Nike?
I see what you did there lol well played
 
Any reason short of BB discovering that Malcolm had a double life as another Aaron Hernandez or discovering that Malcolm was the guy who was deflating footballs is not a good enough reason to keep him benched all game a freaking Super Bowl. This wasn't a week 6 game against an out of conference opponent that nobody cared about.

That's not best for the football team. Play him, win the championship, then tell him to clean out his locker when he gets back to Foxboro. It shouldn't have been difficult.
100%. Short of murder or rape, there's zero reasons to bench your starting LCB for the ENTIRE SB!

Hell there's been great players that balled while drunk or doped up. So stupid.
 
Must of been something significant that prompted the sudden change what do you think that might have been?
If I'm not mistaken, Steve was the secondary coach at the time meaning he was working directly with Butler. if Butler was insubordinate to and/or got into a fight with Bill's son, that might make the old man see red enough to do something in response.
 
I didn't like it either but in the back of my mind I think maybe there was a reasonable explanation that makes sense, sadly we'll probably never know.
If it was reasonable, we would know.
 
If it was reasonable, we would know.

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Now we can all argue about what's reasonable....
 
Cassell did exactly what Bill likely hoped Mac would do. That's the type of QB play he needed to compliment the defense he put together. Obviously, Mac couldn't do it.
Sorry Ian, but Cassell was not a good QB. He's 144th amongst QBs in hof ranking. Only you would time travel 2008 Cassell and compare him to 2020 Newton (29th ranked). Cassell is also not better than Testaverde (52nd ranked). Cassell also had a roster that had just won 16 games the previous season. Or are you imagining the entire 2008 team playing in 2022-23? Lol
 
What else? Why would anyone have any personal vendetta against Bill. None of us know him personally.

So yes, despite your sarcasm, the aim is to provide a balanced perspective and not be hero-worshipping Belichick and keep his failures in mind and in perspective.
To Belichick's sycophants, any mention of facts, reality, or his (God forbid) mistakes, is a direct and personal frontal attack on Belichick driven by a hate filled agenda. Lol

I personally find it interesting to see how he compares with other great coaches, when they also didn’t have their HOF QBs. It's historical football stuff where you learn about other coaches, QBs, etc. Nope. No interest at all. Not in a football forum. Lol
 
Sorry Ian, but Cassell was not a good QB. He's 144th amongst QBs in hof ranking. Only you would time travel 2008 Cassell and compare him to 2020 Newton (29th ranked). Cassell is also not better than Testaverde (52nd ranked). Cassell also had a roster that had just won 16 games the previous season. Or are you imagining the entire 2008 team playing in 2022-23? Lol
I didn't say he was a great QB - but he was good here in this system. Again, looking at what they tried to do with Mac and how good their defense was, I would say he might have been adequate as a guy they could have started and continued drafting behind, potentially landing a Garoppolo-esque guy down the road to potentially transition to.

My expectation up until last year was to just have a solid, not mistake-prone, capable starter. They lost three straight games where they held an opponent to 10 points. Could have easily won those with someone like Cassel, and possibly a few others.
 
What people don't consider is the outcome could have been worse and likely would have been. Butler was terrible in 2017.
But would he have stopped 1 or 2 3rd down conversions? They went 10-16 and 2-2 on 4th.

They didn’t have Hightower or Edelman for that game either. They lost, but they put up one helluva offensive show considering
 
They may not be HOF'ers, but they were among the top QBs in the league during their time. You also just listed three names who are better than the handful of guys Belichick has had over the course of his entire career. You can argue Cam, but Reid had those guys - with the exception of Smith - more or less in their youth. Bill got Cam right at the end where he fell off a cliff midseason.

However, Reid's absolutely a damn good coach. Other than hitting the wall in the NFC championship games, not much to criticize. And getting bounced in that game is far different than being one-and-done, which Dungy did more times than I can count.
It wasn't but a dozen or so pages ago, you were raving about Testaverde, who is better than Vick and Smith. Me saying Cassell is avg is a good thing for Bill, since he actually won with him. Cam was a good QB despite his fall off in 2020. Bill certainly raved about him. Bottom line is none of these QBs are HOFers, which is what everyone is arguing, that no HC did great w/o their HOF QB. Fine, so how did they do with these non-elite QBs?
 
If it was reasonable, we would know.
You never lose because of 1 reason.

What about Brandon trying to hurdle a Philly player on 3rd down and getting dropped like a sack of potatoes. The next play, the ball was bobbled on the FG snap and Gostowski missed.
 
I didn't say he was a great QB - but he was good here in this system. Again, looking at what they tried to do with Mac and how good their defense was, I would say he might have been adequate as a guy they could have started and continued drafting behind, potentially landing a Garoppolo-esque guy down the road to potentially transition to.

My expectation up until last year was to just have a solid, not mistake-prone, capable starter. They lost three straight games where they held an opponent to 10 points. Could have easily won those with someone like Cassel, and possibly a few others.
The problem I see with your example is that you're imagining the 2008 Cassell, that played with the 2007 SB roster.

Do you really believe Cassell would've made a difference playing with the 2022 roster under Patricia and Judge? Have you heard what Cassell said about the Patricia/Judge move?
 
It wasn't but a dozen or so pages ago, you were raving about Testaverde, who is better than Vick and Smith. Me saying Cassell is avg is a good thing for Bill, since he actually won with him. Cam was a good QB despite his fall off in 2020. Bill certainly raved about him. Bottom line is none of these QBs are HOFers, which is what everyone is arguing, that no HC did great w/o their HOF QB. Fine, so how did they do with these non-elite QBs?
I was just saying Cassel (one L - just looked it up and realized I got it wrong earlier) was a good comp to our other discussion, and a player who - if they had the '08-'10' version of him instead of Mac - probably would have ended up in a better spot, and maybe we're viewing it differently. I would call him a non-elite QB, but one who they absolutely could have won more games with last season.

Not that it matters because this is a hypothetical conversation.
 


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