How Belichick lost his place in posterity

Patriot Missile said:

Every head coach will tell you it’s about the players. Let’s take away McNabb and Mahomes from Reid and see how that works?

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Patriot Missile said:

You can pull out all the stats out of your ass you want. It doesn’t diminish his accomplishments as a head coach. Every head coach will tell you it’s about the players. Let’s take away McNabb and Mahomes from Reid and see how that works? Losing seasons are so overblown by you guys. Nobody gives a **** except for the people hating on the guy the last 4 years.

6 Super Bowls and 2 as a coordinator. Your argument wil always fall short. Always. If Walsh didn’t draft Montana in the 3rd he’s a never was. If Shula didn’t have Unitas and Marino he doesn’t hold the best record ever. You get it? We don’t care about your crusade to discredit Belichick the coach. We don’t care about his record without Brady. We know he wouldn’t of won 6 Superbowls as a head coach without Brady. You just seem to forget about the rest of it. The preparation, the game plans, the culture he helped create.

To me you are a negative algorithm on this board when it comes to BB and I honestly thought you’d just let it go after the firing. But you can’t. I don’t know what year you were born or when you started watching the Patriots but there was a time not too long ago when he was the best ever. Certainly not the last 4 years, he’s had some hiccups throughout his 20+ seasons drafting along with the Butler decision as well as others.

I just find it odd that a fan defends his legacy and you take your personal badge honor to try to destroy the guy once again. He was the Head coach of this franchise for a lot of good years. Two dynasties. I never hear or read 49er fans ****ting on Bill Walsh or Dallas or Pittsburgh fans taking a dump on Landry or Knoll. No one questioning how good they would of been without their franchise qb.

Venecol is entitled to his opinion and free to put out whatever data, agree or disagree with whatever he wants regarding Belichick. It’s what makes the board great.

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venecol said:

How is pointing out facts about Belichick's losing seasons, because let's be honest, there's a lot, destroying the guy?

I don't get you guys at all. Same with the Dynasty, where they point out historical events that happened, with the context from interviews of people that were there, and that's a hit piece on Bill.

I think some of you are too emotional and sensitive about Bill's entire career. It's fine that you all want to just remember the good times. It doesn't mean the rest didn't happen. I doubt Bill would want to erase any of those seasons from history since w/o them, he would've never gotten close to Shula's record.

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venecol said:

How is pointing out facts about Belichick's losing seasons, because let's be honest, there's a lot, destroying the guy?

I don't get you guys at all. Same with the Dynasty, where they point out historical events that happened, with the context from interviews of people that were there, and that's a hit piece on Bill.

I think some of you are too emotional and sensitive about Bill's entire career. It's fine that you all want to just remember the good times. It doesn't mean the rest didn't happen. I doubt Bill would want to erase any of those seasons from history since w/o them, he would've never gotten close to Shula's record.

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TheRainMaker said:

Andy Reid had one winning season without McNabb in Philly. Then proceeded to get worse each season before getting fired.

He was doing a fine job in KC with a JAG QB in Smith though. He had 4 consecutive winning seasons. However, he only had one playoff win and was no match for the good teams in the AFC until Mahomes arrived.

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Tunescribe said:

Because you just want to offer a fair and balanced perspective. For the sake of truth, accuracy and historical propriety. Right?

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venecol said:

Is McNabb a HOF QB? He was a good QB, but nobody compares him with Brady, Mahomes, Montana, or any of the other elite QBs.

Reid had a hell of a record in PHI (6 Div, 9 playoff appearances, a SB) in 14 years.

This what I'm saying, you guys love to excuse all of Belichick's losing seasons and then make excuses for the winning seasons of other HCs.

In 25 years, Reid had a total of 3 losing seasons. That's pretty amazing. That's with multiple QBs, and only 1 will make it to the HOF (6 seasons). It is what it is.

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venecol said:

Like I said, when it comes to Belichick, you guys are very emotional. It's a football forum, not a book reading forum. Get over it.

Pathetic AI meme in 3, 2, ....

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ahmed said:

Yes it's a fact he won them as a DC. Nobody ever mentions any non HC accomplishments when judging HCs. That is also a fact. McDaniels is a horrible HC even though he won 3 as an OC.

Some people on here love to mention 8 rings and the only reason I can think of is insecurity around Brady having 7. No HC even has 5 so that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

I soured on Bill because of his costly decisions since 2017 SB as I said many times. Does not change the fact that I will always have a soft spot for him, respect him and think he is the best coach ever. Some people for whatever reason have a hard time with this concept. One other thing, I have never worshipped coaches and its weird to me how some people worship them so much.

It's not about Bill either. It's me. I am a Liverpool fan (not as die hard as I am for Pats but close enough) and Klopp is a great coach who has a very likeable personality (complete opposite of Bill). He is worshipped by Liverpool fans more than any coach in the NFL by their base and while I like him, the liking really is directly proportional to his winning. He is leaving this summer and most fans are heart broken about it. While I am disappointed I am much more worried about losing the winning and not so much losing him.

I have much more empathy towards the players (not even close) which is why getting rid of Brady was as unforgivable to me as anything any coach has ever done. And doing it without a plan and crapping the bed after made it so much worse. Boils my blood just thinking about it.

There will be a time when this wound heals and only fondness will remain for Bill - well mostly because I never liked his attitude with press which was how I interacted with him. But that will take some time.

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Patriot Missile said:

Your admiration for Andy Reid is commendable. He’s an all time great. Did well with Trent Green etc.

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venecol said:

How is pointing out facts about Belichick's losing seasons, because let's be honest, there's a lot, destroying the guy?

I don't get you guys at all. Same with the Dynasty, where they point out historical events that happened, with the context from interviews of people that were there, and that's a hit piece on Bill.

I think some of you are too emotional and sensitive about Bill's entire career. It's fine that you all want to just remember the good times. It doesn't mean the rest didn't happen. I doubt Bill would want to erase any of those seasons from history since w/o them, he would've never gotten close to Shula's record.

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venecol said:

Like I said, when it comes to Belichick, you guys are very emotional. It's a football forum, not a book reading forum. Get over it.

Pathetic AI meme in 3, 2, ....

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venecol said:

Is McNabb a HOF QB? He was a good QB, but nobody compares him with Brady, Mahomes, Montana, or any of the other elite QBs.

Reid had a hell of a record in PHI (6 Div, 9 playoff appearances, a SB) in 14 years.

This what I'm saying, you guys love to excuse all of Belichick's losing seasons and then make excuses for the winning seasons of other HCs.

In 25 years, Reid had a total of 3 losing seasons. That's pretty amazing. That's with multiple QBs, and only 1 will make it to the HOF (6 seasons). It is what it is.

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Patriot Missile said:

McNabb was pretty damn good. Not a hof, but pretty damn good. He was the what? Number 2 pick in the draft?

How would of BB done the last 4 years with McNabb? Maybe over .500 at worst?

Your admiration for Andy Reid is commendable. He’s an all time great. Did well with Trent Green etc.

But let me ask you this? If Belichick coached this team to 6 division titles and 9 playoffs wins while he was here and didn’t win one Super Bowl, would you call him a great coach? Say he did a great job?

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venecol said:

Winning SBs is very hard as we all know (i.e., 16-0, 2007).

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Tunescribe said:

No, no, no. "Us guys" are not "very emotional" about Bill Belichick, YOU are. And. Just. Cannot. Let. It. Go.

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signbabybrady said:

It's the revision of history that gets me every time. For example Bill did not get rid of Brady. Brady left us.

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ahmed said:

Not revisionist history. It was the only logical conclusion from day 1. No franchise ever loses their QB unless they want him to leave. Never happened and never will.

They wanted him gone and they made it happen. Everything else is just PR.

Even when Bill talked about it in the Dynasty it was obvious he wanted it.

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signbabybrady said:

It's the revision of history that gets me every time. For example Bill did not get rid of Brady. Brady left us.

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ahmed said:

Not revisionist history. It was the only logical conclusion from day 1. No franchise ever loses their QB unless they want him to leave. Never happened and never will.

They wanted him gone and they made it happen. Everything else is just PR.

Even when Bill talked about it in the Dynasty it was obvious he wanted it.

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ahmed said:

Not revisionist history. It was the only logical conclusion from day 1. No franchise ever loses their QB unless they want him to leave. Never happened and never will.

They wanted him gone and they made it happen. Everything else is just PR.

Even when Bill talked about it in the Dynasty it was obvious he wanted it.

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