Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

Pape · Dec 10, 2019

Tunescribe said:
Your words are marked. Are you willing to come back and eat them when it doesn't happen? I'll even provide the salt and pepper.

I hope you are right. But the league does enjoy using a heavy hand when it comes to the Patriots.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Dec 10, 2019

IllegalContact said:
at best, this Bob Kraft and his Kraft Productions trying to squeeze another nickle out of his ownership of the team through some team-irrelevant endeavor......that will now negatively affect the team.

hope it was worth it

I enjoyed the features on the guy who runs the team food operations and the woman who plans team travel. Fun to see how an organization operates.

Tottie · Dec 10, 2019

Hammer of Thor said:
If it was really bad they would have said something. If it was completely innocuous (30 seconds) they would have said something. Seems to point that it’s something in between.

As much as we may protest, the NFL needs to dig into this to satisfy the Bengals’ concerns that they were being intentionally filmed, and to satisfy the other 30 teams’ potential concerns about this. If the NFL isn’t comfortable saying it was innocent at this point, then they can’t put out such a statement. They may want to dig into the Patriots office protocols for proof of various claims, etc.

I’ll leave out any commentary on whether the NFL is out to get the Patriots.

Or they reached their conclusion 1 min after they received news and are building the narrative they want. Not like they haven't done that before. Whatever they do they better not come out hard and then say they can't release the tape.

sb1 · Dec 10, 2019

Tottie said:
NOBODY USES SIGNALS! The bengals should be fined for allowing this to become a gate with how they have handled this. Release the freaking tape.

It’s not just signals though. A few teams use it to adjust playcall as BB said yesterday.. but there is plenty of other useful information that can be gained from filming the sideline too. The Pats are well known for studying coaches tendencies and look for “tells” based on where they are standing and what they are doing. You can easily see all that with the camera and capturing it will be useful.

The question is does the tape show the sideline and then the scoreboard with down, time and distance in sequence like the spygate tape did. That is not something an independent contractor do on his own imo. If not and it was a general shot of the sideline then the Pats will get hit with something for negligence and optics and all will be forgotten. Otherwise then welp.. let’s not think about what that would mean.

203Pat · Dec 10, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
Whoever's idea this was for this advance scout piece should be fired

If this is just the teams web content/media department I can see Bill losing his mind over this.

IllegalContact · Dec 10, 2019

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
I enjoyed the features on the guy who runs the team food operations and the woman who plans team travel. Fun to see how an organization operates.

oh sure........but this isn't that

I just want to know when we are going to see the one for the facilities guy who places all the cameras and mics throughout the stadium

I'd also want to see how security deals with drunks

Froob · Dec 10, 2019

NashuaPats said:
When there's 15 seconds left on the play clock, how is the defense going to be watching for signals from the sidelines when they need to focus on the snap and offensive motions? This whole thing is beyond dumb. Unfortunately, Roger, the league, and the media are also beyond dumb.

The delusional homerism on this board cracks me up.

You think the same team that deflated 12 footballs in a porta potty in 90 seconds (for some strange reason in a big hurry) can’t steal and adjust in 15 seconds?

I guarantee you they still boiling that Gatorade.

Teej · Dec 10, 2019

If the league can find a way to punish the Pats, they will. The proof: Revisiting excerpts from the Executive Vice President Clown of Football Operations Troy Vincent's statement on Deflategate:

"In determining that a violation occurred, we applied the standard of proof stated in the Integrity of the Game Policy: namely, preponderance of the evidence, meaning that 'as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.' This is a well-recognized legal standard, which is applied in courts and workplaces every day throughout the country.

"Here, there are several factors that merit strong consideration in assessing discipline. The first is the club's prior record. In 2007 the club and several individuals were sanctioned for videotaping signals of opposing defensive coaches in violation of the Constitution and Bylaws. Under the Integrity of the Game Policy, this prior violation of competitive rules was properly considered in determining the discipline in this case.

"As you know, we regard violations of competitive rules as significant and deserving of a strong sanction, both to punish the actual violation and to deter misconduct in the future.

"In accepting the findings of the report, we note that the report identified no evidence of wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing on the part of any member of the coaching staff, including Head Coach Bill Belichick,

"Nonetheless, it remains a fundamental principle that the club is responsible for the actions of club employees. This principle has been applied to many prior cases. Thus, while no discipline should or will be imposed personally on any owner or executive at the Patriots, discipline is appropriately imposed on the club."

Brady_to_Moss · Dec 10, 2019

THis is what happens no matter if it's true or not or anything even took place.

make the Pats forfeit their entire 2020 draft…. that should send a firm and final message / warning.

None of those championships are legit. None.

The fans of this disgrace of a team actually believe their coach and QB belong in the HOF. sorry . Cheaters dont belong there and those that have been caught cheating multiple times most certainly aren’t HOFers.

From the PFT Article

Doesn't matter if it's true of not. It will stick until the earth explodes. Or North Korea can actually fire a misled more than 200 ft but who knows!

shmessy · Dec 10, 2019

Toucher and Rich@Toucherandrich
· 7m
Replying to @chatham58
Just curious then as to why it is still illegal for teams to tape other sidelines?

Matt Chatham

✔@chatham58
For the same reason liquor stores in Indiana can’t sell refrigerated water or soda, only liquor. A lot of rules are stupid and outdated and nobody bothered to fix them.

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9:06 AM - Dec 10, 2019

Froob · Dec 10, 2019

Brady_to_Moss said:
Wsnt some laughs?

Look at these comments. Patriots admit video crew violated league policy, say it was unintentional

Banned from NFL..College death penalty ect ect.

Doesn't matter if it's true of not. It will stick until the earth explodes. Or North Korea can actually fire a misled more than 200 ft but who knows!

If they were banned from the NFL, you know somebody is on TV complaining they got off waaaaay too easy.

Teej · Dec 10, 2019

Brady_to_Moss said:
THis is what happens no matter if it's true or not or anything even took place.

From the PFT Article

Doesn't matter if it's true of not. It will stick until the earth explodes. Or North Korea can actually fire a misled more than 200 ft but who knows!

The media and hater fans will demand a pound of flesh regardless of the facts and as we all know, the NFL caves when it comes to public sentiment.

NashuaPats · Dec 10, 2019

Teej said:
If the league can find a way to punish the Pats, they will. The proof: Revisiting excerpts from the Executive Vice President Clown of Football Operations Troy Vincent's statement on Deflategate:

"In determining that a violation occurred, we applied the standard of proof stated in the Integrity of the Game Policy: namely, preponderance of the evidence, meaning that 'as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.' This is a well-recognized legal standard, which is applied in courts and workplaces every day throughout the country.

"Here, there are several factors that merit strong consideration in assessing discipline. The first is the club's prior record. In 2007 the club and several individuals were sanctioned for videotaping signals of opposing defensive coaches in violation of the Constitution and Bylaws. Under the Integrity of the Game Policy, this prior violation of competitive rules was properly considered in determining the discipline in this case.

"As you know, we regard violations of competitive rules as significant and deserving of a strong sanction, both to punish the actual violation and to deter misconduct in the future.

"In accepting the findings of the report, we note that the report identified no evidence of wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing on the part of any member of the coaching staff, including Head Coach Bill Belichick,

"Nonetheless, it remains a fundamental principle that the club is responsible for the actions of club employees. This principle has been applied to many prior cases. Thus, while no discipline should or will be imposed personally on any owner or executive at the Patriots, discipline is appropriately imposed on the club."

Lawyer: Have you ever heard of the ideal gas law?
Troy Vincent: No.

Lawyer: Are you aware that you can’t video radio waves?
Troy Vincent: No.

Ladypatsfan · Dec 10, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
Whoever's idea this was for this advance scout piece should be fired

Amen bro. This is so stupid.

NashuaPats · Dec 10, 2019

Ladypatsfan said:
Amen bro. This is so stupid.

Nah, the stupidity is coming from the league and the media. This was just an innocent mistake by the PR team. I hope no one is sacrificed like McNally and Jastremski were.

denverpatsfan · Dec 10, 2019

You would think this professional TV team would have a SOP for filming at other stadiums? Make sure you tell the home team, NFL and others that you are there or whatever is required. This fck up came from the top down. They didn't properly prepare these people for their jobs IMO. Sad that this organization is supposed to be the best in all of sports. Hard to sell TV shows and merchandise when your team is labeled cheaters YET AGAIN even if this is not true. That is the perception from others outside of New England.

luuked · Dec 10, 2019

NashuaPats said:
Nah, the stupidity is coming from the league and the media. This was just an innocent mistake by the PR team. I hope no one is sacrificed like McNally and Jastremski were.

Nobody in this cluster**** except for the scout is even an employee of the team.

From what we have read so far they are all Kraft Group contractors. There is nobody to sacrifice at all except the dink whoever was responsible for this project and didn't bother to make sure they knew the rules about taping.

To use Hanlon's razor.. don't assume maliciousness for what is adequately explained by stupidity/ignorance.

Tony2046 · Dec 10, 2019

borg said:
You have proof NE wasn’t taping these teams?
Link please

Nope. No link is necessary. If you want to follow hand fed narratives that's your decision.

Clonamery · Dec 10, 2019

denverpatsfan said:
You would think this professional TV team would have a SOP for filming at other stadiums? Make sure you tell the home team, NFL and others that you are there or whatever is required. This fck up came from the top down. They didn't properly prepare these people for their jobs IMO. Sad that this organization is supposed to be the best in all of sports. Hard to sell TV shows and merchandise when your team is labeled cheaters YET AGAIN even if this is not true. That is the perception from others outside of New England.

The Pats marketing department has always been hit or miss imho and that goes to management.

Teej · Dec 10, 2019

Froob said:
Well that's uh certainly an opinion

It's not opinion, it's a forgone conclusion that time will bear out.

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