Patriots trade for WR Mohamed Sanu, for a second-round pick

It sounds like Sanu and Brady are getting a long well.
Sanu sounds like a professional.

robertweathers said:

If we are looking for a singular reason for his release, it is the fact he took longer to get open than the other receivers. This can be attributed to his position (X which is not a key to this offense), his ability to run routes and gain separation, and his current physical makeup (size, health, quickness, etc)

There is no question Josh was bigger this year. Not sure if he was slower but he was certainly not as good.

Overall I thought he was fine and contributed but not to the point of being not expendable.

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@Triumph is just rationalizing his long-term animosity towards Gordon. What he fails to point out is how he’s been dead wrong for over a year in being up Josh’s ass for everything the guy does. When they got him, he mocked his drug addiction. When Gordon played well, he just criticized him and said he was a loser. He’s been predicting his downfall every second of his pathetic existence. It’s not exactly a victory lap when the team finally releases him, which is inevitable at some point. This will be like when Max Kellerman gives his “told you so!” when Brady retires.

And he wasn’t released for the reasons Triumph has been saying (out of his ass) for the last year, which involves Gordon being stupid, immature, and a guy who decides he wants to be a drug addict. He sensitivity to addiction is abhorrent, and his bias towards Gordon has been disgusting. Don’t validate his pathetic victory lap.

robertweathers said:

TB12 has a man crush

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Me too!

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

@Triumph is just rationalizing his long-term animosity towards Gordon. What he fails to point out is how he’s been dead wrong for over a year in being up Josh’s ass for everything the guy does. When they got him, he mocked his drug addiction. When Gordon played well, he just criticized him and said he was a loser. He’s been predicting his downfall every second of his pathetic existence. It’s not exactly a victory lap when the team finally releases him, which is inevitable at some point. This will be like when Max Kellerman gives his “told you so!” when Brady retires.

And he wasn’t released for the reasons Triumph has been saying (out of his ass) for the last year, which involves Gordon being stupid, immature, and a guy who decides he wants to be a drug addict. He sensitivity to addiction is abhorrent, and his bias towards Gordon has been disgusting. Don’t validate his pathetic victory lap.

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He hasn’t been released.

Mack Herron said:

He hasn’t been released.

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No he hasn't. Things can change between now and then....we shall see.

Zuma said:

No he hasn't. Things can change between now and then...such as an injury to another player...or a change of heart by Bill for whatever reason. We shall see.

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Are you talking about Gordon? If so, the deal is done. Him being released now is a mere formality.

Oswlek said:

Are you talking about Gordon? If so, the deal is done. Him being released now is a mere formality.

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Ok

is it me, or does Brady sound more excited about Sanu being here than he seems upset that Gordon isnt here...??

RIpats88 said:

is it me, or does Brady sound more excited about Sanu being here than he seems upset that Gordon isnt here...??

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Yes exactly. The same way with AB.

On MNF Brady was pretty frustrated and critical of the offense.

Triumph said:

Yes exactly. The same way with AB.

On MNF Brady was pretty frustrated and critical of the offense.

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I have question: do you think Gronk will be back with the team and if so when ?

I have decided from now on. i will drop random dog themed videos into random threads. Because I love dogs. That is all. Prepare my sponge bath.

Zuma said:

I have question: do you think Gronk will be back with the team and if so when ?

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Yes I do for the Chiefs.

I believe that Brady will coax him back. Gronk already has the offense down so there is no learning adjustment with a new guy.

Zuma said:

I have question: do you think Gronk will be back with the team and if so when ?

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He will be a guest or honorary captain during the playoffs and am sure he will join them when they raise the trophy and banner.

He wont be active for them anymore.

Triumph said:

Yes I do for the Chiefs.

I believe that Brady will coax him back. Gronk already has the offense down so there is no learning adjustment with a new guy.

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Ok...thank you for answering my question

Patstastic said:

Shannon Sharpe believes Sanu doesn't make a huge difference because he's not a burner. His belief is none of the Pats WR's are burners. Meaning Brady will always need to go the length of the field to get TD's. He thinks that's too much to ask of a 42 year old QB. I think Sharpe is generally an idiot. But he makes good points here. The Patriots don't really have a speedy deep threat. What are your thoughts on this?

My counter to this:

1. Patriots defense
2. Being a quick scoring team consistently doesn't help control the clock. Nor does it rest your defense.

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Somehow Sharpe, despite being a former player, doesn’t understand the game. You don’t need a burner hauling in 50 yard passes to avoid grind-it-out drives all the time. What you need are a lot of chunk plays. That can be accomplished in a lot of ways. Gronkowski wasn’t s burner, but his presence and demand for double teams got them a lot of chunk plays. That 2 TE offense used to get tons of easy separation for 20+ yard gains, matching down the field often.

Having a lot of good, not necessarily burner, receivers allows guys like Edelman and White to get a lot of spacing for big time YAC. AB isn’t really a burner either but would have opened up the offense by forcing coverage, double moves, and big time YAC abilities. He can beat you deep, but that’s not really his specialty. They need to get a lot of easy completions where receivers/TEs have a lot of separation and/or mismatches, and good blocking helps. Outside of Moss, speedsters have done very little take the mythical “top off the defense.” Gordon when healthy was sort of “a burner” at times, but their chunk play ability often depended on who else was available. You can’t count on long bombs or just “fast for the sake of being fast” guys who run down the sideline. Been tried and doesn’t yield compounding results. Cooks was a burner, and that had its pros and cons. When he got injured in the SB, that’s ironically when all of their big plays started happening with more well rounded, better blocking receivers.

Patstastic said:

Shannon Sharpe believes Sanu doesn't make a huge difference because he's not a burner. His belief is none of the Pats WR's are burners. Meaning Brady will always need to go the length of the field to get TD's. He thinks that's too much to ask of a 42 year old QB. I think Sharpe is generally an idiot. But he makes good points here. The Patriots don't really have a speedy deep threat. What are your thoughts on this?

My counter to this:

1. Patriots defense
2. Being a quick scoring team consistently doesn't help control the clock. Nor does it rest your defense.

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Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Somehow Sharpe, despite being a former player, doesn’t understand the game. You don’t need a burner hauling in 50 yard passes to avoid grind-it-out drives all the time. What you need are a lot of chunk plays. That can be accomplished in a lot of ways. Gronkowski wasn’t s burner, but his presence and demand for double teams got them a lot of chunk plays. That 2 TE offense used to get tons of easy separation for 20+ yard gains, matching down the field often.

Having a lot of good, not necessarily burner, receivers allows guys like Edelman and White to get a lot of spacing for big time YAC. AB isn’t really a burner either but would have opened up the offense by forcing coverage, double moves, and big time YAC abilities. He can beat you deep, but that’s not really his specialty. They need to get a lot of easy completions where receivers/TEs have a lot of separation and/or mismatches, and good blocking helps. Outside of Moss, speedsters have done very little take the mythical “top off the defense.” Gordon when healthy was sort of “a burner” at times, but their chunk play ability often depended on who else was available. You can’t count on long bombs or just “fast for the sake of being fast” guys who run down the sideline. Been tried and doesn’t yield compounding results. Cooks was a burner, and that had its pros and cons. When he got injured in the SB, that’s ironically when all of their big plays started happening with more well rounded, better blocking receivers.

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I think you guys are misunderstanding what he meant. As him being a former offensive player, that 16 play drive early in the game was concerning to him because the margin error gets even lower. That 4th down catch to Watson wasn’t easy and could’ve been dropped. It’s the philosophy of the “Bend but don’t break” defense.

Sanu to me has never been anything special. However, BB must see something in him given that he’s tried to trade for him multiple times.

TheRainMaker said:

I think you guys are misunderstanding what he meant. As him being a former offensive player, that 16 play drive early in the game was concerning to him because the margin error gets even lower. That 4th down catch to Watson wasn’t easy and could’ve been dropped. It’s the philosophy of the “Bend but don’t break” defense.

Sanu to me has never been anything special. However, BB must see something in him given that he’s tried to trade for him multiple times.

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No,I understand the Patriots do not have a great offense and Sanu is unlikely to transform it. My point is that “a burner” isn’t the only answer. An elite receiver who isn’t necessarily a deep threat - but its elite - would do.

RIpats88 said:

is it me, or does Brady sound more excited about Sanu being here than he seems upset that Gordon isnt here...??

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If Tom is happy with it, I’ll take it as a good sign.

TheRainMaker said:

I think you guys are misunderstanding what he meant. As him being a former offensive player, that 16 play drive early in the game was concerning to him because the margin error gets even lower. That 4th down catch to Watson wasn’t easy and could’ve been dropped. It’s the philosophy of the “Bend but don’t break” defense.

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The margin of error gets lower but at the same time the completion probabilities increase substantially and the variance goes down significantly.

The completion probability on that fourth down given Brady got the time and Watson made his cut correctly was somewhere in the high 80s.

The priors are things the individual players are working on every day. Those are the fundamentals everyone keeps talking about.

In the end Watson made it look more spectacular than necessary but if you rewatch the play there really is never a doubt about it working.

Either way after decades of sustained success with the quick passing game I am not sure we really need to question its higher probability vs. an offense predicated on deeper shots.

That is if everyone does their individual jobs well.