Demaryius Thomas says he was insulted/disrespected by Patriots.

venecol · Oct 17, 2019

Ring 6 said:
I’m pretty new here but it strikes me that I don’t think I’ve seen a single person complain about the Thomas situation before Mehta decided to write about feelings and how mean those big bullies in Foxboro are and now this is evolving into a lynch bb thread for some people.

is that how it works around here?

Huh, who is trying to lynch BB?

Jangles · Oct 17, 2019

He’s not wrong

we reaped some good karma on that one. Krafts panties got all in a twist and he bent over to the media and cut AB

anyone else remember 6 weeks ago the musings about 16-0 and the potential to be the greatest offense of all time

lol

RobertWeathers · Oct 17, 2019

dreighver said:
That's a simplified, "in a vacuum" way of analyzing the situation.

Brown had known concerns coming in here. He had a bonus due ~2 weeks after signing his contract. It would seem natural to wait those 2 weeks, see how he behaves and fits in, and proceed from there.

Clearly BB felt there was a role for DT if Brown was not on the roster. So your claim "BB didn't have room on the roster for average WRs" is not true. DT did have a spot on the roster, until Brown was signed.

DT has 8 catches for 109 yards in his last two games. He absolutely fits on this roster as a top-3 WR along with Gordon (who has been largely 'meh') and Edelman. He'd be playing ahead of Meyers and Gunner.

I have zero issue with taking the long approach and banking on young players in Meyers and Gunner over DT.

I do have an issue with putting all your chips in the 'Brown basket' by trading away a player who otherwise would have a role on the team, 3 days after signing a known powder keg in Brown.

If Bill felt DT could have given them what AB could have he'd still be here.

Simple.

JMC00 · Oct 17, 2019

Todd Bradley said:
and that the receiving corse would stay fully healthy.

Edelman, Gordon and Dorsett were all healthy and active Week 1-3 . Meanwhile Thomas was an injured inactive those 3 weeks. So the whole "Thomas should have been kept for depth against injuries" Is a very laughable argument. Literally right off the start Thomas showed cause for concern regarding his durability.

StairwayToSe7en · Oct 17, 2019

If he thought that was disrespectful, just wait until the Patriots shut him down with ease in front of his own fans on Monday night.

mgteich · Oct 17, 2019

Even simpler, if DT were here (and no AB experiment), DT would be taking WR reps instead of Gunner.

I know a lot of folks think that DT isn't very good, but he is better than Gunner and likely better than Meyers.

To put it another way, if DT were available, we'd sign him in a heartbeat, perhaps even trade a 6th for him.

robertweathers said:
If Bill felt DT could have given them what AB could have he'd still be here.

Simple.

venecol · Oct 17, 2019

Crazy Patriot Guy said:
I just don't think there's a lot of NFL veterans out there that are going to think twice about signing with the Pats because they now see the example of a guy being traded after an all pro WR was suddenly available for cheap.

Honestly, is there a team out there assuring their players their roster spot will be iron clad even if Michael Thomas is cut next week?

You're probably right. I'm just remembering all the WRs this offseason the Pats were purportedly interested in (Beasley, Tate, Humphries, et al) that decided to go elsewhere, not all because of money.

RobertWeathers · Oct 17, 2019

mgteich said:
Even simpler, if DT were here (and no AB experiment), DT would be taking WR reps instead of Gunner.

I know a lot of folks think that DT isn't very good, but he is better than Gunner and likely better than Meyers.

To put it another way, if DT were available, we'd sign him in a heartbeat, perhaps even trade a 6th for him.

I tend to agree.

I think DT could have done some decent things here.

AB was an upgrade. BB rolled the dice and lost big time.

The down-the-road question is will Harry represent an upgrade over DT. Who knows.

JMC00 · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
According to DT, BB told him there was no room on the roster after hiring AB. So they threw him out after getting AB. Probably would have kept him otherwise.

Hammer of Thor said:
From the article:

Unless BB was lying to Thomas, or unless Thomas was lying in his interview, this is pretty cut and dry to me. The decision to trade him at that point was specifically tied to Brown.

It wasn't even Brown, that was just something that presented itself after the fact that Belichick had already showed that had N'Keal Harry been healthy to start the season Thomas would have been gone.

Seems to be that the decision was really between Gunner & Thomas. At one point during cutdowns it was reported that Gunner would be cut but then Belichick changed his mind. Harry had to be on the 53 to be able to go on IR-DTR.

So really Belichick was of the opinion that keeping and trying to develop and bring along UDRFA Meyers and Gunner was a better option than keeping Thomas until Harry was able to return. This was all before Brown was even an option.

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

Biffins said:
I believe he is referring to being re-signed and then traded a week later.

He could have just gone to another team a week earlier.

The Pats bonused him more money on the re-sign.

Had he been cut and then picked up by another team, it's probable he would have made less.

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shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

dreighver said:
I think BB has done a good job of being transparent, direct, and forward with all players, veterans especially, in the past.

That said, he ultimately does what's best for the team and sometimes that's at-odds with the interests of individual players.

I agree that this season in particular (DT, Watson, Bennett) didn't do much to make us look particularly desirable in the eyes of veterans. That said, I still think plenty of players will want to play here in the foreseeable future.

Watson, after being cut was a free agent to all 32 teams in the NFL.

He's back here now of his own volition.

Mean ol' Patriots!!!!!!

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Ring 6 · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
Huh, who is trying to lynch BB?

Read the thread.

catent · Oct 17, 2019

shmessy said:
Watson, after being cut was a free agent to all 32 teams in the NFL.

He's back here now of his own volition.

Mean ol' Patriots!!!!!!

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What does that have to do with the fact that Watson was cut and re-signed, now making $1m less than he was prior?

If your employer fired you because they did not see a spot for you, and then changed their mind a week later and called you back saying, "actually, we need you now, but we're only going to pay you 60% of your previous salary", you'd feel a tad disrespected, no?

The fact that other employers didn't want to hire you during that 1 week period when you were unemployed wouldn't make you feel any less lousy about the situation.

I don't blame the Patriots and BB for doing what's best for the team, but I also wouldn't blame Watson (or DT) but feeling disrespected.

Ring 6 · Oct 17, 2019

PatsDeb said:
Pretty much, for certain people. Keep reading around and you'll be able to determine who's who. Just ignore those folks who drive you crazy and you'll be fine.

Thanks. Not here to argue. I’ve ready taken note of the guy who disagrees by saying things like “if you were watching the games”

robbomango · Oct 17, 2019

Anyone see the inside kick bounce off his chest in that Jet/boys game...

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

dreighver said:
What does that have to do with the fact that Watson was cut and re-signed, now making $1m less than he was prior?

If your employer fired you because they did not see a spot for you, and then changed their mind a week later and called you back saying, "actually, we need you now, but we're only going to pay you 60% of your previous salary", you'd feel a tad disrespected, no?

The fact that other employers didn't want to hire you during that 1 week period when you were unemployed wouldn't make you feel any less lousy about the situation.

I don't blame the Patriots and BB for doing what's best for the team, but I also wouldn't blame Watson (or DT) but feeling disrespected.

He was a FREE AGENT to 31 other teams. The free market set the price. Obviously, the prior price for him was an overvalue.

He realized the Patriots were offering on the re-sign something NO ONE ELSE WOULD.

The man is 38 years old and is quite intelligent - - he has a very full and prosperous life OUTSIDE of football. He CHOSE to go back to the Patriots, instead of 31 other franchises or a return to his busy ministry/business/tv appearances for a reason.

Why is that hard to understand?
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Ring 6 · Oct 17, 2019

dreighver said:
What does that have to do with the fact that Watson was cut and re-signed, now making $1m less than he was prior?

If your employer fired you because they did not see a spot for you, and then changed their mind a week later and called you back saying, "actually, we need you now, but we're only going to pay you 60% of your previous salary", you'd feel a tad disrespected, no?

The fact that other employers didn't want to hire you during that 1 week period when you were unemployed wouldn't make you feel any less lousy about the situation.

I don't blame the Patriots and BB for doing what's best for the team, but I also wouldn't blame Watson (or DT) but feeling disrespected.

Well it’s likely that at a million less he wouldn’t have been cut to begin with. The patriots are at poverty level on the cap.

PatsDeb · Oct 17, 2019

Ring 6 said:
Thanks. Not here to argue. I’ve ready taken note of the guy who disagrees by saying things like “if you were watching the games”

Don't you love those guys?!

DaBronxPats14 · Oct 17, 2019

Family said:
Jets receiver Demaryius Thomas says brief stay with Patriots was ‘a waste of time’ after trusting Bill Belichick

Demaryius Thomas calls Patriots stint a “waste of time”

I get his point.

AB signing not our finest hour.

And we could use DT now.

I'm going to continue to do best I can for this Team,T-E-A-M, Team!

- Bill Belichick

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

Jangles said:
He’s not wrong

we reaped some good karma on that one. Krafts panties got all in a twist and he bent over to the media and cut AB

anyone else remember 6 weeks ago the musings about 16-0 and the potential to be the greatest offense of all time

lol

16-0 is ridiculous to predict in any situation.

But have they lost yet? Did I miss something that you saw in an alternate (5 days ahead) universe?

In the meantime 16-0 with the Greatest Defense of all time would be just as good as 16-0 with the Greatest Offense of all time. I'd take it.

I'd also take 11-5 with a 7th SB win, but I'm a Patriots fan, not an FFLer.

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