Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

NormZauchin · Feb 24, 2019

BUSTAMOVE said:
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TBHelmet. I heard on the news he was John #12. Then I seen the alphabetical order list of Johns and he was #12 on the list. I wonder if Man #12 is John #12. It sounds like him grey haired, blue long sleeve shirt. If so 12 is the wild card

Shouldn't the description read "grey haired, blue long sleeve shirt, white collar, tie," if it were Kraft?

NormZauchin · Feb 24, 2019

cmasspatsfan said:
Was the girls arm going in a forward motion but not going forward? Would this invoke the "tug rule"? A technicality but it's worked before.

Where is Walt Coleman when you need him.

TB_Helmet · Feb 24, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I respect this take.

I just see this as a slippery slope. Do you buy Nikes? I’m sure you know they exploit child labor. Do you buy t-shirts? Electronics made overseas? I mean, as consumers, whether or not we are responsible for the wrongdoings that went into making the product - not so morally black and white.

Yes, I get that this isn’t a perfect analogy by any means. I just think we are all in pretty deep moral **** if we take this to it’s conclusions. We know we get better prices due to some shady third-world exploitation. Most of us watch porn knowing that many of these women are badly exploited, either by sexy traffickers, pimps, etc. We jerk off to this stuff because it gets us off. We are supporting prostitution and sex traffic in visiting websites whose ads lead to revenue, which lead to the evil but lucrative trade continuing. I don’t think it makes us bad people or morally compromised. Wanting to get a hand job isn’t exactly a highly rational decision. I’m sure we’ve all been in situations where we just want to rub one out. How often does sex traffic or the morals of these women being exploited enter your thought process?

Great post. It’s a complicated question and topic and everything you said shows why.

TB_Helmet · Feb 24, 2019

NormZauchin said:
Shouldn't the description read "grey haired, blue long sleeve shirt, white collar, tie"?

Should have said “grey haired, blue shirt, wearing six large rings.”

BUSTAMOVE · Feb 24, 2019

NormZauchin said:
Shouldn't the description read "grey haired, blue long sleeve shirt, white collar, tie"?

Wearing a large gold chain with word “CHAMPIONSHIPS”

PatsWSB47 · Feb 24, 2019

Were any of the girls in on the sting I wonder?

chris_in_sunnyvale · Feb 24, 2019

Triumph said:
Oscars tonight. Wonder how many Kraft/Patriot jokes since Kraft is not on their side?

Nfw. The human trafficking part of the story pretty much makes jokes an awful idea.

Regards,
Chris

TB_Helmet · Feb 24, 2019

BUSTAMOVE said:
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TBHelmet. I heard on the news he was John #12. Then I seen the alphabetical order list of Johns and he was #12 on the list. I wonder if Man #12 is John #12. It sounds like him grey haired, blue long sleeve shirt. If so 12 is the wild card

Yeah I guess that could be it. He is #12 in alphabetic order on that list you posted and also #12 in order of arrival. Quite a coincidence. But less likely that it’s a troll job by dolphin loving cops.

archstanton543 · Feb 24, 2019

Triumph said:
I was only kidding.

I dont support what he did or anything to do with the abuse of women. Physically and mentally.

Abuse requires intent. He didn't wake up those mornings looking to specifically harm women he knew to be sexually trafficked. Right or wrong, there are lot of massage places that offer sex stuff from people who aren't trafficked and I bet you a million bucks he's gotten that kind of service more than just those two times but from people not being taken advantage of like the people who ran the massage parlor trafficking ring.

archstanton543 · Feb 24, 2019

ohiopatsfan said:
This is really a very sad and disturbing story from all aspects. Robert Kraft is one of the last people I would consider being involved in something like this. His recent loaning of the Lombardi Trophy for a post-Duck Boat parade at an assisted living facility in my old home town of Winthrop is just one example of his philanthropy. That said, if the allegations are true, there is no excuse for his actions. With the current "me-too" environment, punishment may be more severe than it might have been years earlier, but there will be consequences for these alleged acts. I feel, after the state of Florida completes its investigation and metes out its punishment, the NFL, based on past history, will impose a fine and suspension on Mr. Kraft. The Patriots haters screaming for all the 2019 draft picks to be taken away look at this as a means to finally break the team's hold on the Super Bowl. I hope Goodell doesn't give them credence and tamper with the team's draft choices. A move like that would reignite the talk of NFL bias that most Patriots' fans feel is already in existence. Events like this massage parlor fiasco turn over rocks and expose terrible things we know exist but would rather not think about.

This isn't a "MeToo" thing. He got a happy ending at a massage parlor. The "MeToo" thing is about guys like Harvey Weinstien.

A guy can pay a prostitute and still be a good man in other aspects of his life. He's not married and he didn't run the massage parlor ring.

venecol · Feb 24, 2019

Boomer B said:
The police have made it very clear there is video of the act. Does Kraft really want them playing video in court of him being jerked off?

He will want this to go away as quietly and quickly as possible. Last thing he wants is to be in court.

Court? Like in trial? This will never see the inside of a court. Defense will file a motion and a deal will be cut or judge will dismiss. Case closed.

XLIX · Feb 24, 2019

If he is #12 - which is sure looks like he is - then that date was, IIRC, the 25th Anniversary of him buying the Patriots AND the day of the AFCCG.

So this was indeed the story of one man's strange, erotic journey from Jupiter to KC.

venecol · Feb 24, 2019

Triumph said:
The best way out of these things is to admit wrong doing and put it behind you.

Kraft cant do that now since he denies that anything inappropriate occurred.

Another one that flunked read comp. He said he didn't do anything illegal not that anything inappropriate occurred. That's a huge difference.

Also, only poor people and dumb azzes admit wrong doing in court or hicks.

Haterproof · Feb 24, 2019

Quest4SixHomie said:
Why the hell not? That would've made Super Bowl weekend so much more fun.

Don't worry! Can you imagine how epic the storylines and memes going into Superbowl 54 will be if the Pats advance? Not to mention it's Miami!

venecol · Feb 24, 2019

BUSTAMOVE said:
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TBHelmet. I heard on the news he was John #12. Then I seen the alphabetical order list of Johns and he was #12 on the list. I wonder if Man #12 is John #12. It sounds like him grey haired, blue long sleeve shirt. If so 12 is the wild card

I can't believe they caught Mingfu Lu.

How was he described (#13)?

BUSTAMOVE · Feb 24, 2019

venecol said:
I can't believe they caught Mingfu Lu.

How was he described (#13)?

That was Irsay. Even he knew to pay with cash and use a phony name.

SHOWTIME15 · Feb 24, 2019

The rest of the NFL is having fun with this.

Fans of Patriots' rivals travel to Florida spa where Robert Kraft allegedly solicited sex

IcyPatriot · Feb 24, 2019

Kraft should have known better than to
associate himself with people named Wang and Dong.

venecol · Feb 24, 2019

In reading the descriptions it sure doesn't sound like they had audio. If so, I believe they may have a problem.

venecol · Feb 24, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
The rest of the NFL is having fun with this.

Fans of Patriots' rivals travel to Florida spa where Robert Kraft allegedly solicited sex

Let them enjoy winning the offseason again.

Let's goooooooo get #7!

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