Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

QuantumMechanic · Feb 22, 2019

BUSTAMOVE said:
My guess is you don’t arrest a billionaire on those specific charges without some pretty good evidence to back it up or that state and its DA’s office will be sued royally by the mega rich billionaires top flight attorneys for slander. Again I hope I am wrong. The tea leaves are pointing against him

Charging someone with a crime and the charge not panning out isn't slander.

NE_Zealot · Feb 22, 2019

Tuck said:
Didn’t expect this. Especially after seeing him polish off another super bowl.

Apparently he wanted something else polished as well.

shmessy · Feb 22, 2019

Antdawg said:
Meh, Brady wasn't gonna be 42 when Hernandez was arrested and Kraft carries just a little more clout here than Aaron Hernandez. Just a little.

You DO know you are equating what Kraft is being charged with.....with HOMICIDE?????

And Kraft never suited up to catch Brady's throws in any game ever, so I have no idea where you are going with that analogy.

This is a huge media story, but how it affects Brady's play is fractional compared to the Hernandez tragedy.

Perspective much? Yeah, your'e right they were 'both arrested'.

"Just a little"?

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signbabybrady · Feb 22, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
I think this thread has the potential to break the Malcolm Butler thread...we're already at 40 pages lol.

No way this one doesn't get locked for any number of reasons.

Drewski · Feb 22, 2019

One of my non pats fan buddies sent me this. Not sure who the handle belongs to but I laughed

Brandon_Cox · Feb 22, 2019

When others are charged - including at least one more prominent than Bobby K - maybe we'll get an idea about who turned him on to this out of the way spa in the first place.

IcyPatriot · Feb 22, 2019

nabwong · Feb 22, 2019

Brandon_Cox said:
When others are charged - including at least one more prominent than Bobby K - maybe we'll get an idea about who turned him on to this out of the way spa in the first place.

Warren Sapp?

BradyFTW! · Feb 22, 2019

ivanvamp said:
Many teams were videotaping opponents' signals (like what the NYJ did to the Patriots in 2006). Only one team got disciplined for it. The Patriots were the first team in history to be so disciplined.

Many teams tampered with footballs (just weeks before the AFCCG, the Carolina Panthers, live on network television, did it). Only one team got disciplined for it. The Patriots were the first team in history to be so disciplined.

Many players have refused to hand over their cell phones to the NFL (in Deflategate, Gostkowski refused, for example). Only one person ever got suspended for it. Brady was the first player (a Patriot) in history to be so disciplined.

It's not paranoia to worry that the NFL will somehow punish Kraft or heck, even the Patriots here. It might not happen, but "it would be the first time in NFL history" as a way of saying we have nothing to worry about, given the evidence to the contrary I just listed, seems rather naive.

I don't care if the league punishes Kraft. Punishing the team for something 100% non-football related that Kraft did, OTOH, is something that a) the commissioner simply doesn't have the authority to do without most of the other owners agreeing to it, and b) is a precedent that most owners will not want to set, since being held meaningfully accountable for your personal actions is an absolute non-starter for the average NFL owner.

****, Jimmy Haslam got nailed on a far more serious charge involving widespread fraud across his main wealth-generating companies and nothing at all happened to him or the Browns as a consequence of his actions. Do you really think he or Irsay (who trafficked drugs that resulted in a woman dying in his house) or Jones (who has been caught with hookers in his own right) or anyone else like him has any interest at all in establishing a precedent where the organization gets punished? They all have a vested interest in ensuring that they personally see no accountability for their actions, and Goodell works for them.

The 'worst' outcome here from Kraft's perspective is that he gets Donald Sterlinged and forced out of ownership, and I put worst in quotes because I think that should happen if he doesn't have the basic dignity and sense to step down and pass the team to Jonathan of his own accord.

Steve102 · Feb 22, 2019

Redman443 said:
Should Jonathan take over the team? Or will this blow over?

50-yard-line · Feb 22, 2019

Tb12goesinya said:
We should have a human trafficking task force that works in conjunction with China, Korea, Russia, South American countries etc. and target the pimps before they are able to set up shop on our lands. These pimps who lie, manipulate, abduct, take prisoner, or strip away the dignity of an innocent victim should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Our society is hyper sexualized and there are countless of hypocrisies and contradictions when you look at what sexual things are legal and sensationalized(one night stands, sugar babies, gold diggers, not to mention really crazy things) and compare that to a sensual rub and tug by 2 consenting adults behind closed doors.
The criminals entering our country and manipulating humans to work for them are the evil doers, not a guy struggling with intimacy who fancies a human touch by a willing adult.

Eastern Europe.

BradyFTW! · Feb 22, 2019

Tb12goesinya said:
What about an average guy who goes for a nice massage, and she says "turn over please".

That's not how any of this works, but even if it did, the average guy who was going in for a nice massage would probably say no thanks around the time she started giving him the * he didn't want and wasn't actively soliciting.

Are you seriously so deep into mental gymnastics on this that you think Bob Kraft accidentally got himself jerked off in a seedy massage parlor and then accidentally paid her for it?

And no, I will not support 'my countryman' in supporting human trafficking, and I find it kind of weird that you'd suggest Kraft should have my support from that angle. Sex trafficking is a real problem and people who callously disregard it to the point that they'll ignore every obvious red flag there is because they don't care if the person jerking them off is a sex slave or a willing participant will never have my support. Frankly I think your whole line of reasoning is gross as well, weird, and displays a telling lack of giving-a-**** for some of the most victimized people living in our society.

IcyPatriot · Feb 22, 2019

Drewski · Feb 22, 2019

BradyFTW! said:
I don't care if the league punishes Kraft. Punishing the team for something 100% non-football related that Kraft did, OTOH, is something that a) the commissioner simply doesn't have the authority to do without most of the other owners agreeing to it, and b) is a precedent that most owners will not want to set, since being held meaningfully accountable for your personal actions is an absolute non-starter for the average NFL owner.

****, Jimmy Haslam got nailed on a far more serious charge involving widespread fraud across his main wealth-generating companies and nothing at all happened to him or the Browns as a consequence of his actions. Do you really think he or Irsay (who trafficked drugs that resulted in a woman dying in his house) or Jones (who has been caught with hookers in his own right) or anyone else like him has any interest at all in establishing a precedent where the organization gets punished? They all have a vested interest in ensuring that they personally see no accountability for their actions, and Goodell works for them.

The 'worst' outcome here from Kraft's perspective is that he gets Donald Sterlinged and forced out of ownership, and I put worst in quotes because I think that should happen if he doesn't have the basic dignity and sense to step down and pass the team to Jonathan of his own accord.

My MiL texted my wife and said "you hear about the news up here?!?!" and basically went with the NFL is going to pork the Pats.

I sent her the story on Irsay (which she had never heard before) and said basically "if Kraft gets this or less, who cares"?

NE_Zealot · Feb 22, 2019

This thread is unequivocally the sweetest!

PATRIOTSFANINPA · Feb 22, 2019

ChrisR2223 said:
LMAO I want to see the tape.

At his age if they view the acts on the tape its probably going to be a 15 second film

Zarozzor · Feb 22, 2019

IcyPatriot said:

holy ****ing **** LMAO

QuantumMechanic · Feb 22, 2019

Well said:

Then Kraft will probably accept his inevitable suspension from the NFL while still trying to convince the public that, while he made a mistake, it does not define him. This will likely include a statement about not being “perfect” and apologizing to “anybody who was disappointed” and “working hard to earn back your trust.” He will say whatever he has to say, and pay a sizable fine or make a big donation, as long as the NFL lets him keep the Patriots.

Then Kraft will try to go back to being “Mr. Kraft” again. And that’s the problem here, when you get down to it. Most human-rights organizations say that tens of millions of people around the world are currently enslaved, and many of those are forced to be sex workers. They can’t go back.

And so if Kraft is indeed guilty of soliciting sex acts from slaves, he has a choice. He can publicly say how mortified he is that he participated, in any way, in something so vile, and he can put his money, time and status into addressing the epidemic. Or he can refuse to ever talk about it again. It just depends on whether he thinks this story is about human trafficking, or about Robert Kraft.

The Robert Kraft Story Is No Laughing Matter

Brick27 · Feb 22, 2019

A lot of criticism over why he’d go to some low end joint in Florida, when he could go to a high paying classy service. You don’t become a billionaire by overspending.

PatsFan2 · Feb 22, 2019

BUSTAMOVE said:
Hey did anyone hear that McCourty is not retiring

Old news this is the good stuff.

Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

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