Explain Rule change. #8 - Makes actions to conserve time illegal after the two-minute warning

Explain Rule change. #8 - Makes actions to conserve time illegal after the two-minute warning


What the heck does that mean? Can't find it anywhere described on the web.

Definitions and examples anyone?

pdangle said:

What the heck does that mean? Can't find it anywhere described on the web.

Definitions and examples anyone?

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So can't run out of bounds? Can't spike the ball?

What NFL* brilliance am I missing here?

The Gr8est said:

So can't run out of bounds? Can't spike the ball?

What NFL* brilliance am I missing here?

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Maybe it means more commercials?

No timeouts?

It's to prevent the intentional holding penalties that run off the clock, etc.

EDIT: I can't read apparently.

reamer said:

It's to prevent the intentional holding penalties that run off the clock, etc.

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I don't think so. That's addressed in another rule change. Maybe I'm wrong. Also how would that "conserve time"?

Edit: No this was also passed:

By Competition Committee: Makes it Unsportsmanlike Conduct to commit multiple fouls during the same down designed to manipulate the game clock. Passed.

reamer said:

It's to prevent the intentional holding penalties that run off the clock, etc.

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The rule says actions to conserve time. That example causes the burning of time.

The Gr8est said:

The rule says actions to conserve time. That example causes the burning of time.

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Ah, you're absolutely right. I read it backward. Very strange wording.

Here's a technical explanation:

A brief look at the NFL's 15 rule change proposals

Currently, if teams commit an illegal substitution penalty or lose a replay review while the clock was running and there was under one minute to play, there was a 10-second runoff. This rule change would make it a 10-second runoff where there are under two minutes to play.

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We'll find out what it means once it affects a game the Patriots are winning in.....

Stumpy said:

We'll find out what it means once it affects a game the Patriots are winning in.....

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Wouldn't they have to be losing for this to negatively affect them?

bbobbo said:

Currently, if teams commit an illegal substitution penalty or lose a replay review while the clock was running and there was under one minute to play, there was a 10-second runoff. This rule change would make it a 10-second runoff where there are under two minutes to play.

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I don't understand the losing the replay review. If its under one minute prior to the half or end of game, aren't all reviews done by the officials? I thought coaches couldn't challenge after the 2 min warning? Or is that they just can't challenge tds/turnovers?

I'm guessing the following 10-second runoff rules which used to apply only in the last minute now apply to the last 2 minutes:

1. A foul by either team that prevents the ball from being snapped
2. Intentional grounding
3. Illegal forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage
4. Throwing a backwards pass out of bounds
5. Spiking or throwing the ball away after a down (unless after a touchdown)
6. Any other intentional act that causes the clock to stop

The 10-second penalty does not apply if:

1. The clock is stopped when the ball is set for play and will not start until the ball is snapped.
2. If the team on offense has timeouts and elects to use one in lieu of the runoff.
3. If the defense declines the runoff (which prevents the offense from committing fouls to intentionally run out the clock). Note that the team on defense may elect to decline the runoff while accepting the yardage penalty, but may not do the reverse.

It means whatever Goodell's memo says it means.

In 2011, at the end of the game, the Giants committed fouls, and there were automatic 10 second runoffs, and thus it gave Brady less time. I personally do not think that the winning team should be given an advantage in such situations. 10 seconds is probably much more valuable than 10 yards.

GrogansArmy said:

I don't understand the losing the replay review. If its under one minute prior to the half or end of game, aren't all reviews done by the officials? I thought coaches couldn't challenge after the 2 min warning? Or is that they just can't challenge tds/turnovers?

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after the two minute warning, if a call on the field is reversed after an offical replay review, and the correct call would have resulted in the clock continuing to run, then a 10-second runoff is applied.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2017 Offseason/Rules Change Proposals.pdf



here's the actual rule that the proposal is modifying:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/7_Rule4_Game_Timing.pdf

PlainOldEd said:

Wouldn't they have to be losing for this to negatively affect them?

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I tried to say that we'll be winning and then the rule to come into play to bring us down, but now that I think of WHY we'd be conserving time, you'd think we should be losing at that moment.
Thanks!
Or maybe it's the other team that's winning and then it screws us..........my brain is fried, too much work. lol

It would be even better to add time to the clock when teams pull this crap. Then you could have two 2-minute warnings.

Whatever it means, ol' Bill has already fully analyzed it and figured out how to turn it to the Pats' advantage. Ain't life grand?

Article 3 states that a defensive foul prior to the snap and within the last 40 seconds of a half ends the half. And ends the game if it is in the second half. There's nothing written in the rule that indicates that the officials are supposed to make a judgment call as to whether this was intentional and/or to the advantage of the team on defense. It just states it as an automatic fact, regardless of the circumstances. A rule needs to have all of the circumstances written into the rule. It doesn't make sense to have rules interpreted based on some contextual paragraph well up the page(s) before it. This is just amateur hour.