Report: Owners willing to strip Goodell's disciplinary powers in next CBA...

[DaBruinz]

Do you think the TNF would be the international game under that scenario?

Knowing the owners? Yes. I think they'd attempt to screw the players like that. I'm sure the players would object to it..

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Do you think the TNF would be the international game under that scenario?

International games are stupid. They don't even like our version of football that much in other countries. Just keep it here. It's part of our culture, like soccer is in other places around the world.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

2024 can't come fast enough - the last year Goodell will be commissioner.

 

[woolster22]

I think a fair compromise would be to remove 2 preseason games for adding 1 regular season. Better would be no preseason and 18 games. Personally I don’t like changing the number of games for sake of statistical comparison, milestones and records.

As far as officiating i think we are on a slippery slope. Unintended consequences have a way of screwing everything up.

replay started as a way to catch egregious problems on a very limited basis.
Of course that led to complaint about everything needing to be correct. that led to the automatic score and turnover review.
that led to officials eeriness on the side of letting review bail them out. (A close td/no td is called td because it has to be reviewed). That leads to the “incontrovertible” standard having replay not bail them out.
Now people complain about penalty calls and they become reviewable.
We have reached the point where it is expected that officials are perfect. That they see everything and call everything perfectly correctly even when many plays are far from unanimous among experts interpreting the rules.
Players make mistakes on almost every play. But we’ve gotten to the point now where refs are supposed to be infallible. I think it’s completely unrealistic.

Go tell New Orleans and Trey Flowers that. Allowing blatantly obvious misses to stand is inexcusable if they are actually trying to get things right. Refs need to be fined for this ****. Start lightening their wallets. I figure the amount of 1 playoff check is reasonable per blown call. That **** crew from the Det/KC has 3 easy fines from my memory. 2 from that Dallas game when Garret was flagged for spiking the challenge flag, even though he won it (that ******* ref should really just be fired on the spot).

Since refs are human, and humans make mistakes, they need to start acting like it. Questioning a ****ty call shouldn't always be taken as an insult. Just admit you are wrong and move on. It isn't a failure to admit a mistake was made. Why does the NFL refuse to admit and correct its mistakes in the moment, or do anything to hold the cause of the issue accountable (save some nonsense grading system they rework at playoff time so we can watch ****ty crews ruin even more important games. See: Clete Blakeman).

If players get fined for rightly pointing out the obvious, the refs should get thrown in solitary for life. The players dont directly cost the refs money. Contrarily, how many injuries have you guys seen on plays that never even happened? You know, the old strip sack/incomplete play, they sont blow it dead moat the time, even when obvious to make aure they "get it right." In the ensuing scramble/recovery, a player gets injured making a play that wont count for anything when the booth goes to review.

Defensive backs getting flagged for being in position for a pick, but the wideout initiates a helmet to helmet hit as the cb is making a play on the ball and the offense gets 15 yards and a first down.

This league is run by idiots.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

2024 can't come fast enough - the last year Goodell will be commissioner.

Bet the owners will give the idiot another contract extension before then.

 

[Biffins]

I'm already tired of all the injuries.

This is a bad trade. I'd rather have an idiot with disciplinary powers than 17 games.

Plus, there's nothing there that says he can't discipline teams. He can still do that, and he's done it to the Patriots twice.

i dont want 17 games. More injuries. More randomness.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Knowing the owners? Yes. I think they'd attempt to screw the players like that. I'm sure the players would object to it..

It would have to be in North America. To broadcast Thursday night games at 8:00 eastern, London games would start at 1:00 AM local time and draw no one to the stadium.

 

[Joker]

KILL GOODELL!....the rest will work itself out

 

[Ring 6]

Go tell New Orleans and Trey Flowers that. Allowing blatantly obvious misses to stand is inexcusable if they are actually trying to get things right. Refs need to be fined for this ****. Start lightening their wallets. I figure the amount of 1 playoff check is reasonable per blown call. That **** crew from the Det/KC has 3 easy fines from my memory. 2 from that Dallas game when Garret was flagged for spiking the challenge flag, even though he won it (that ******* ref should really just be fired on the spot).

Since refs are human, and humans make mistakes, they need to start acting like it. Questioning a ****ty call shouldn't always be taken as an insult. Just admit you are wrong and move on. It isn't a failure to admit a mistake was made. Why does the NFL refuse to admit and correct its mistakes in the moment, or do anything to hold the cause of the issue accountable (save some nonsense grading system they rework at playoff time so we can watch ****ty crews ruin even more important games. See: Clete Blakeman).

If players get fined for rightly pointing out the obvious, the refs should get thrown in solitary for life. The players dont directly cost the refs money. Contrarily, how many injuries have you guys seen on plays that never even happened? You know, the old strip sack/incomplete play, they sont blow it dead moat the time, even when obvious to make aure they "get it right." In the ensuing scramble/recovery, a player gets injured making a play that wont count for anything when the booth goes to review.

Defensive backs getting flagged for being in position for a pick, but the wideout initiates a helmet to helmet hit as the cb is making a play on the ball and the offense gets 15 yards and a first down.

This league is run by idiots.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect every call to correct. When you start with that expectation you will never be satisfied.
Players makes mistakes all the time. Coaches make mistakes all the time.
Somehow we expect a handful
of referees to cover an entire field and make the call that is revealed by multiple camera angles. I don’t know how we got away from the idea that imperfect officiating is part of the game.
On the Flowers calls we don’t know what angle the ref had. The head definitely lurched back. Given that a 5’9” ref with a less than perfect angle on a battle between 2 6’5” players is unlikely to include a perfect view that is a dilemma. I’m sure they are trained to look for the head lurching back, and since hard to the face is a safety related penalty probably told to err on the side of caution.

now I’ve heard comments that the standard should be you have to exactly see the penalty ie the hand in the face rather than just the indication it was and that’s cool, but it will allow a lot more uncalled penalties which is a different problem altogether.

I have no problem “telling that to the saints and lions” because I have never expected that anyone thought refs were infallible or a team never should have to accept a poor call.

 

[Hyped]

While I bet some owners like Jonathan Kraft, Clark Hunt, etc...that have been punished by the league would like to scale back some of that power......ALL of them want to use it as a bargaining chip to get some concessions back from the NFLPA (e.g. 17 games, bigger share of the pie, etc..).

Personally, I think the NFL's personal conduct policy should be replaced with a policy where:

- Players are suspended/expelled WHEN they are CONVICTED in a court of law.
- The NFL needs to have a chart for these decisions....e.g. Murder/Rape = Life time ban, domestic violence = 2 year ban, etc...
- All clubs would hold the right to suspend their players for PR reasons (e.g. Someone is accused of rape....the club suspends said player while the legal process works itself out).

We need to use our existing court systems to settle off the field conduct and keep the NFL's focus to on field matters......

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Owners get:
17th game, creating more injuries and ruining the 16 game schedule that everyone loves, in addition to its historical consistency

Players get:
A shred of basic fairness that should be a prerequisite to any agreement between management and labor, and exists in every professional sports league. It’s only needed because the commissioner is a complete and utter piece of garbage who uses loopholes to break any good faith, common sense agreements that have been precedent in the NFL since its inception

 

[Ring 6]

While I bet some owners like Jonathan Kraft, Clark Hunt, etc...that have been punished by the league would like to scale back some of that power......ALL of them want to use it as a bargaining chip to get some concessions back from the NFLPA (e.g. 17 games, bigger share of the pie, etc..).

Personally, I think the NFL's personal conduct policy should be replaced with a policy where:

- Players are suspended/expelled WHEN they are CONVICTED in a court of law.
- The NFL needs to have a chart for these decisions....e.g. Murder/Rape = Life time ban, domestic violence = 2 year ban, etc...
- All clubs would hold the right to suspend their players for PR reasons (e.g. Someone is accused of rape....the club suspends said player while the legal process works itself out).

We need to use our existing court systems to settle off the field conduct and keep the NFL's focus to on field matters......

This is where it gets tricky and where the NFL has handled it about as poorly as it can.

we need to start from the truth, which is that the NFL and it’s teams don’t care about players personal issues. If they can play what they do off the field is their own business.
BUT
then public relations and image come into it.

if you use Michael Vick as a jumping off point (in my memory that seems to be when it started to change) once Vick was ACCUSED animal rights activists were outraged that the NFL would endorse (by not disciplining) what Vick did. It led to national criticism, boycotts and a black eye for the league. This followed with roethlisberger, Peterson, rice, hardy, et al.
The league caved in. Instead of saying the league takes the accusations seriously but cannot discipline a player unless he is actually found guilty the suspended upon accusation. They doubled down by launching (often incompetent) investigations and finding guilt where law enforcement did not.
They created their own monster.
Add in the inexplicable lack of consistency in discipline and it’s a disaster.

 

[BradyFTW!]

So the owners manufacture a crisis then offer to 'fix' it in exchange for major concessions. Sounds like a protection racket to me, this is mafia-style behavior by 'the 32', **** every one of them.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Please explain the TNF bye week concept, it doesn't make sense. I would think they need to add another Bye.

I'm definitely in favor of adding a second bye week. It would be a bare minimum starting point before anyone should even consider adding another week of games, and even within a 16 game schedule I still think it makes sense. And definitely, I strongly believe that no team should ever play TNF unless they're coming off a bye already. Plus that's one more NFL sunday per year, so it seems like a win-win all around.

 

[Hyped]

This is where it gets tricky and where the NFL has handled it about as poorly as it can.

we need to start from the truth, which is that the NFL and it’s teams don’t care about players personal issues. If they can play what they do off the field is their own business.
BUT
then public relations and image come into it.

if you use Michael Vick as a jumping off point (in my memory that seems to be when it started to change) once Vick was ACCUSED animal rights activists were outraged that the NFL would endorse (by not disciplining) what Vick did. It led to national criticism, boycotts and a black eye for the league. This followed with roethlisberger, Peterson, rice, hardy, et al.
The league caved in. Instead of saying the league takes the accusations seriously but cannot discipline a player unless he is actually found guilty the suspended upon accusation. They doubled down by launching (often incompetent) investigations and finding guilt where law enforcement did not.
They created their own monster.
Add in the inexplicable lack of consistency in discipline and it’s a disaster.

Agreed. In my proposal above...as it concerns Vick...the Falcons would have been able to suspend Vick...the NFL wouldn't even need to do an investigation....and then the NFL would have suspended Vick when he went to jail...and the Eagles would still have been able to sign Vick after he served his time/suspension. For Ray Rice, the Ravens could have suspended him...and probably brought him back as he was never convicted...but the Ravens would have had to bear the burden of public outcry at their choice and the NFL would have nothing to do with it...ditto for Peterson/Vikings.

 

[Triumph]

The 32 owners are going to have rape performed on them by the NFLPA formulating this next CBA.

That means money.

The owners got over bigtime on the players last CBA in terms of compensation. But this time either the owners are going to be forced to make less money which ain't happening or there will be more revenue generating games. Regular season or post season.

If the players won't agree to more games then there will be a strike and I doubt the players budge this time after the screwing they took during the last CBA negotiations.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I was happy as hell when I read the thread title........Now, not so much. 17 games? Nah man.

 

[1960Pats]

Agree. Awful trade.

How about increasing revenue sharing, pension $ and expanding post career health coverage instead.

I'm not $ure, but I think there'$ $ome rea$on$ why the owner$ won't agree.

Did I hear right this morning? The players are willing to move on things if they can smoke pot?

 

[Ring 6]

Agreed. In my proposal above...as it concerns Vick...the Falcons would have been able to suspend Vick...the NFL wouldn't even need to do an investigation....and then the NFL would have suspended Vick when he went to jail...and the Eagles would still have been able to sign Vick after he served his time/suspension. For Ray Rice, the Ravens could have suspended him...and probably brought him back as he was never convicted...but the Ravens would have had to bear the burden of public outcry at their choice and the NFL would have nothing to do with it...ditto for Peterson/Vikings.

Yup the NFL had an easy out by saying we care about your cause but innocent until proven guilty. But I think the teams should take the same stance.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The 32 owners are going to have rape performed on them by the NFLPA formulating this next CBA.

That means money.

The owners got over bigtime on the players last CBA in terms of compensation. But this time either the owners are going to be forced to make less money which ain't happening or there will be more revenue generating games. Regular season or post season.

If the players won't agree to more games then there will be a strike and I doubt the players budge this time after the screwing they took during the last CBA negotiations.

I wish you were right, but I think the deciding factors in all of these potential work stoppages is that most players are ****ed if the NFL shuts its doors for a year. Owners can afford to wait out a work stoppage, while the overwhelming majority of players can't.

Because of that the owners will always have a ton of leverage in these situations, and they've proven over and over again that they won't hesitate to use it to the fullest. The players will always cave, and because of that the owners basically dictate the terms of these negotiations. It sucks and I hate it, and this massive imbalance of power has informed a lot of my own political beliefs, but I'm unfortunately very confident that that's how it'll go.