Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[venecol]

This quote by the Sheriff is precious, even he agrees we should all be scared.

“I think people should be concerned about their privacy,” Martin County Sheriff William Snyder told Contact 5, during a recent one-on-one interview. “We would only do a video surveillance like this under the most extraordinary circumstances.”

I'm not sure how many people would consider a rub and tug operation "extraordinary circumstances" to justify invasion of people's privacy.

 

[venecol]

Goodell has announced the NFL is doing it's own "fact-finding" investigation into Kraft.
NFL Conducting Its Own Fact-Finding Investigation On Robert Kraft

I hope Goodell asks Kraft for his cell phone.

 

[Ring 6]

I read the warrant application, at the end they have several paragraphs where they specifically ask for monitoring. Then, in a totally separate paragraph they then ask for recording. It's not like they asked throughout for "monitoring and recording" where they could claim they went together. It was two separate requests and only one was granted.

I still can't believe a judge granted a warrant to install video cameras just on suspicion of solicitation alone. I mean they didn't even try to establish prostitution at all, their justification seemed very weak to me. The judge is an azzh*le.

Can you post a link to the warrant application?

 

[BTTA]

One thing I have thought about that hasn't gotten any press - were there a significant number of folks who went to this place in search of a legitimate massage? It is a horrible invasion of privacy to be filmed undressing at a private business place if you were there on legitimate business (although maybe the place had a well-known reputation and nobody went there except those seeking more). If I were a defense attorney I would be looking for these folks and threatening a suit against the police for invasion of privacy...

I suspect that the answer to your question is "no," there isn't a significant number of folks who go to these places for legitimate massages, but that probably doesn't matter to your point - it'll only take one who did, who was recorded and viewed, as a result of this. And adds quite a twist to it.

But who will be the person who will comes forward to volunteer that, if their visit doesn't get disclosed through a release of a video? It is Florida, though...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I hope Goodell asks Kraft for his cell phone.

God knows what's on that thing.

 

[PP2]

Ask @PP2. This is the year.

Sorry, way out of the loop at this point. Just got back from Africa. I'll have to catch up on the drama in here.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I hope Goodell asks Kraft for his cell phone.

What's the expression, " ain't no fun when the deer has the gun."?

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

God knows what's on that thing.

I don't think G-d wants to know what's on it.!!!

 

[BTTA]

I said this above, and will say it again:

I'm imagining myself as a law enforcement official in this County. I see crimes (prostitution, cash business avoiding taxation) done in the open air under a cover everyone knows is BS ("massage parlor"). This inevitably erodes at the local economy and social infrastructure (drug use, STD's and a drag on the healthcare safety net system, etc.) as well as the reputation of my home town. It is routinely used and supported by a network of extremely rich guys who otherwise hang out at their mansions on the beach and pretend and promote their superiority.

Yeah, I think I'd lose my patience with this pretty quickly and happily find a way to take it down. So it there was any possibility that trafficking were underneath any of it, which is a form of organized crime and often connected to multinational slavery, I'd go after it with every weapon I had.

This isn't to suggest forgiveness for the Sheriff if in fact they overstepped the permissions granted in the warrant, or they allowed the recordings to be viewed by people or for purposes other than that required to investigate the case. On the other hand, if a person commits a crime, like Kraft apparently did, and it opens a door into more serious matters for that person, then the only lesson here is "don't commit the crime in the first place." I had this type of conversation with my kids a dozen times over the years as they wrestle with the dilemmas of school life, where they had an arms length association of some kind with another kid that led to, or could have led to, getting associated with something they had nothing to do with. Not fair, but that's life, so figure it out.

Kraft goes in for an illegal transaction and other sh#t gets on him? Not fair, but that's life, so figure it out, rich boy.

 

[borg]

Lonely widower BK is gonna get whacked by the league for a misdemeanor HJ,
Yet,
Jimmy Haslam is teflon despite his company bilking customers out of $50 million with 17 of his employees, several directly under him, taking the rap including indictments.
Haslam takes direct responsibility for Browns failure, but none for his company's criminal practices....even after audio tapes emerged with employees discussing Haslam's awareness of their deceptive practices.

Crimes of passion.......NFL regulated
Business fraud......

 

[Kontradiction]

It was the 'Twilight Zone' of apologies ... there but not there.
Made about as much sense as a billionaire going to a run of the mill rub and tug.

Yeah but did you see those prices though? Kraft isn’t turning down those deals. What a bargain.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Lonely widower BK is gonna get whacked by the league for a misdemeanor HJ,
Yet,
Jimmy Haslam is teflon despite his company bilking customers out of $50 million with 17 of his employees, several directly under him, taking the rap including indictments.
Haslam takes direct responsibility for Browns failure, but none for his company's criminal practices....even after audio tapes emerged with employees discussing Haslam's awareness of their deceptive practices.

Crimes of passion.......NFL regulated
Business fraud......

Haaslam isn't the only one. The Wilf's who own the Vikings got tagged a few years back..
Judge rules against Vikings owner in fraud case

 

[borg]

Haaslam isn't the only one. The Wilf's who own the Vikings got tagged a few years back..
Judge rules against Vikings owner in fraud case

Rob your customers blind....nothing to see
Sprinkle a little coin among the Asian community.......fine, suspension, public stoning

 

[tasmlab]

I suspect that the answer to your question is "no," there isn't a significant number of folks who go to these places for legitimate massages,

FWIW, their Yelp page was full of regular reviews of women providing reviews on normal massages, giving gift certificates and such.

The yelp page was locked up a month ago when the news came out, and could be fake reviews anyways. But it did look like they also ran a legit business.

 

[XLIX]

We now have some facts in the Martin County cases, cops lied and broke the law by recording video of people over that allowed by a Judge's warrant.

I'd like to hear from the pro law geek if he believes the cops should be punished for breaking the law, because you know it's the law and laws can't be broken, ever.

I looked into what you are claiming here and I don’t think this is a hill you want to die on.

The argument is regarding a verbiage technicality of the actual warrant. The police requested video surveillance to “monitor and record” the spa. The warrant was granted to “monitor” but the word “record” was left out of the judge’s order.

The defense is saying that means permission to record was denied, which is a very, very weak argument. When you get permission for video surveillance, it is implied that recording illegal activities will take place. (Otherwise when you got to trial you’d have to have a cop testify about what he saw on TV instead of, you know, actually presenting the video evidence)

Let me ask a question and I challenge you to be honest: do you honestly believe this Martin County Judge intended for the police to install surveillance cameras without being allowed to record illegal activities?

 

[venecol]

Can you post a link to the warrant application?

It's at the end of this story, couldn't figure out how to extract.

Deputies posed as 'repair persons' to plant cameras at spas

 

[venecol]

I looked into what you are claiming here and I don’t think this is a hill you want to die on.

The argument is regarding a verbiage technicality of the actual warrant. The police requested video surveillance to “monitor and record” the spa. The warrant was granted to “monitor” but the word “record” was left out of the judge’s order.

The defense is saying that means permission to record was denied, which is a very, very weak argument. When you get permission for video surveillance, it is implied that recording illegal activities will take place.

Let me ask a question and I challenge you to be honest: do you honestly believe this Martin County Judge intended for the police to install surveillance cameras without being allowed to record illegal activities?

You obviously didn't read the application so until you do get back to me.

 

[XLIX]

You obviously didn't read the application so until you do get back to me.

Yes I did read it and I asked you a question about your opinion. I challenge you to answer it honestly. It is really a simple question I am not asking you to research anything, I am only asking your opinion.

 

[BTTA]

FWIW, their Yelp page was full of regular reviews of women providing reviews on normal massages, giving gift certificates and such.

The yelp page was locked up a month ago when the news came out, and could be fake reviews anyways. But it did look like they also ran a legit business.

That's good to know, and hopefully legit reviews. Thanks.

 

[venecol]

Yes I did read it and I asked you a question about your opinion. I challenge you to answer it honestly. It is really a simple question I am not asking you to research anything, I am only asking your opinion.

Well clearly there is both a legal and standard difference between monitoring and recording. These two are not the same type of activity. One can for example monitor activities that will yield information to proceed with a further operation depending on the case. Recording is a specific and separate activity that entails creating a permanent record of what was being monitored.

I'm not the one that completed the application. In the application, there are 9 separate requests, 8 of which talk about monitoring and only one requests that recording be allowed. Clearly from the language in the Judge's warrant, he authorized the 8 requests to monitor but not the single request to record.

Honestly, it seems that the judge was only comfortable with allowing the cops to monitor but not to record.