Kliff Kingsbury wants to pursue NFL job

[RobertWeathers]

No it was an analogy of making a commitment and then INMEDIATELY bailing on it.
There is no monetary settlement. If there were permission wouldn’t be needed Kingsbury would resign and buy it out.

Perhaps a better analogy would be getting married then saying, a month later, by the way I’m going to start dating to see if like anyone else better, but if it falls through I’m committed to you.
But I need you to consent to that and agree if I leave there are no financial repercussions.

Andy marriage and a job are not the same thing. It's cruel , cutthroat world out there and it's a delicate balance between serving your best interests and burning bridges

KK is wrong for being fickle. He needs to ride USC for a year then resign or leave for the NFL.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ryan Clark just called Tom the Greatest Living American.

Lol

 

[XLIX]

No it was an analogy of making a commitment and then INMEDIATELY bailing on it.
There is no monetary settlement. If there were permission wouldn’t be needed Kingsbury would resign and buy it out.

It's clear you don't understand how this works.

According to every single report we've seen, there is a buy out. It makes sense that Kingsbury wants permission to interview with NFL teams while maintaining his employment at USC. Therefore, if no satisfactory NFL offers come, he is still at USC.

USC has declined him this request. As such, he may not interview with NFL teams unless he exercises the buy out first. In that case, he would be exercising his buyout and taking a huge chance without knowing what, if any, offers came his way. (Now, I am not naïve enough to believe his agent isn't having backdoor conversations with NFL teams... but let's just say if he wants to formally speak with a team, he has to exercise his buyout first.)

Perhaps a better analogy would be getting married then saying, a month later, by the way I’m going to start dating to see if like anyone else better, but if it falls through I’m committed to you.
But I need you to consent to that and agree if I leave there are no financial repercussions.

The marriage analogy was a stupid one from the start, so stop making yourself look foolish and let it go. A marital commitment is not even remotely comparable to a contractual commitment which has an out clause. This situation isn't even complicated enough to require an analogy. He signed a contract but he has an out clause. It's pretty darn simple.

 

[Ring 6]

Out of curiosity you wouldn’t happen to be an SC fan?

Nope

 

[Ring 6]

Andy marriage and a job are not the same thing. It's cruel , cutthroat world out there and it's a delicate balance between serving your best interests and burning bridges

Again it was an analogy. Both are examples of making a commitment and valuing on it.

KK is wrong for being fickle. He needs to ride USC for a year then resign or leave for the NFL.

Regardless of that, my point is USC should not allow him to interview because it’s not in their best interest.

 

[Ring 6]

It's clear you don't understand how this works.

No, clearly I do.

According to every single report we've seen, there is a buy out. It makes sense that Kingsbury wants permission to interview with NFL teams while maintaining his employment at USC. Therefore, if no satisfactory NFL offers come, he is still at USC.

USC has declined him this request. As such, he may not interview with NFL teams unless he exercises the buy out first. In that case, he would be exercising his buyout and taking a huge chance without knowing what, if any, offers came his way. (Now, I am not naïve enough to believe his agent isn't having backdoor conversations with NFL teams... but let's just say if he wants to formally speak with a team, he has to exercise his buyout first.)

None of that is different than what I have said.

The marriage analogy was a stupid one from the start, so stop making yourself look foolish and let it go.

It’s an ANALOGY. It ANALOGIZES the commitment.

A marital commitment is not even remotely comparable to a contractual commitment which has an out clause.

It’s comparable to the point of honoring a commitment, but if your reading comprehension was up to snuff you would realize it was comparable as to ask the other side to accept your lack k of commitment.

This situation isn't even complicated enough to require an analogy. He signed a contract but he has an out clause. It's pretty darn simple.

Again you are miles away from the point.
The discussion was about USC allowing him to interview 3 weeks after hiring him.
If he wishes to buy out his contract there is no discussion.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

I live in Big 12 land and, from what I’ve seen of Kingsbury, I think he is one of the great young offensive minds out there. Lincoln Riley Lite if you will. Love to see him take over for McDaniels if he leaves.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Could we see us bring Manziel into camp if we bring Kliff in.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don't follow college football much and I'm not familiar with him. It doesn't seem he did well at Texas Tech. I know he did well with Johnny Manziel, but his game largely improvising and thriving on broken plays.

Could someone explain why he's such a hot commodity? Why would the Patriots be interested in him rather than promoting from within assuming the reports are correct.

The talent disparity in college football is so much greater than in the NFL. KK, at TT, realistically can't compete w Bama & Clemson save for a season for the ages type year. Judging him on wins is foolish. He's a passing maverick & the league is literally all about passing efficiency & big plays. There aren't many better.

Now imagine what he could do w the best players in the world, focusing on his specialty.

We would be very lucky to get him.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

We had like 30 receivers who came through this offseason and no one worked out.

This offense is running off of Edelman (drafted 2009) and Gronkowski (2010). It’s been a long time since this team uncovered a multi-year gem at TE/WR, with Amendola being the best since Gronkowski.

The receivers/TEs are in bad shape right now with the age of Edelman and decline of Gronkowski and Hogan. There are no promising young players who appear ready to step up or guys coming back from injury. In a year this may be like 2006 or 2013 again, among the worst WR/TE corps in the NFL.

So considering how darn hard it’s been to find matches for the system, and how badly we need so many now, the idea of a new OC and offensive scheme are actually incredibly appealing in my opinion. I’ve soured on McD the last two years as it is, but part of it may be that their system is just too exclusive, or guys that used to be available no longer are (like when Patriots went to a 3-4 and got gems easily, until every team started copying them.)

I like the idea a lot of bringing in KK, or someone with a unique perspective, rather than another season with McD or an internal replacement who thinks just like McD. As for Brady, he’ll get used to it and I’m sure will understand the position they’re in and the need for a change in offensive philosophy. I’m sure he’s not looking forward to Dwayne Allen and Phillip Dorsett being his top two targets.

 

[fightingirish595]

I’m cool with kliff but I’m not really about the air raid in terms of pass/run ratio.

 

[fightingirish595]

The talent disparity in college football is so much greater than in the NFL. KK, at TT, realistically can't compete w Bama & Clemson save for a season for the ages type year. Judging him on wins is foolish. He's a passing maverick & the league is literally all about passing efficiency & big plays. There aren't many better.

Now imagine what he could do w the best players in the world, focusing on his specialty.

We would be very lucky to get him.

From a head coaching stand point he was mediocre at Texas tech. His teams weren’t very competitive in terms of competing for big 12 titles. But it’s apples and oranges in comparison to being an offensive coordinator in the nfl

 

[ctpatsfan77]

From a head coaching stand point he was mediocre at Texas tech. His teams weren’t very competitive in terms of competing for big 12 titles. But it’s apples and oranges in comparison to being an offensive coordinator in the nfl

TBF, Texas Tech tended to get the guys that Oklahoma and Texas don't even want.

 

[fightingirish595]

TBF, Texas Tech tended to get the guys that Oklahoma and Texas don't even want.

I mean look. His head coaching failures at Texas tech really provide no indication of how he’d do as an OC in the nfl.

He won his first 7 games and proceeded to go 28-40 after that. I understand he’s not going to get the best players. That team and conference don’t know what defense is. All I’m saying is that maybe he isn’t head coach material, he could end up being a fantastic coordinator. We aren’t looking for a head coach at the moment

 

[XLIX]

It’s an ANALOGY. It ANALOGIZES the commitment.

Right. AND YOUR ANALOGY SUCKED.

Beyond that, you need to learn what a buyout is since it’s clear you have no clue (as usual).

 

[Ring 6]

Right. AND YOUR ANALOGY SUCKED.

The analogy was fine, I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it.

Beyond that, you need to learn what a buyout is since it’s clear you have no clue (as usual).

So your argument is that USC should let him interview anywhere he wants 3 weeks after being hired, even though they have the right to not grant permission, because he has a buyout in his contract
As usual you take an uninformed arrogant approach and don’t even bother to try to understand what the argument actually is.

 

[XLIX]

The talent disparity in college football is so much greater than in the NFL. KK, at TT, realistically can't compete w Bama & Clemson save for a season for the ages type year. Judging him on wins is foolish. He's a passing maverick & the league is literally all about passing efficiency & big plays. There aren't many better.

You’re half right and half wrong. You’re right to say you can’t judge him at Texas Tech against schools like Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State. But if you look at Texas Tech before Kingsbury compared to after he got there, you see he did a very bad job.

That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t make a good OC in the NFL (or USC), I’m just saying he was not a good college coach.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Haven’t followed anything KK has done since leaving the Patriots. Didn’t even know he was a coach, nevermind being considered good at it.

 

[XLIX]

I mean look. His head coaching failures at Texas tech really provide no indication of how he’d do as an OC in the nfl.

I agree, but at the same time it should be noted that scoring a lot of points in the Big 12 does not translate to be able to score in the NFL. He’s still young and should probably stay in college a while longer.... maybe at the very least try a pro style offense in college (not that there are terribly many of those left...)

 

[XLIX]

TBF, Texas Tech tended to get the guys that Oklahoma and Texas don't even want.

This is true but, as mentioned before, he didn’t do terribly well compared to how the same university performed prior to his arrival....

I got nothing against the guy, just don’t see him as NFL-OC ready.