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Id really like if some day somebody from the Beckwith family here could explain to me what makes him a good future NFL player.

Watching his games I can't see it. Apart from occasional big plays (that can make great highlight reel for sure) I can't see it. I don't see the player (motor, instincts, IQ, character, heart..) among other issues..

I want to - he is low enough on boards for a 3rd round pick . considering weak LB class and his good measurements - so Id appreciate some help..

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same with Bowser
 
Id really like if some day somebody from the Beckwith family here could explain to me what makes him a good future NFL player.

Watching his games I can't see it. Apart from occasional big plays (that can make great highlight reel for sure) I can't see it. I don't see the player (motor, instincts, IQ, character, heart..) among other issues..

I want to - he is low enough on boards for a 3rd round pick . considering weak LB class and his good measurements - so Id appreciate some help..

ps
same with Bowser

I like Beckwith, so I'll do some work on him tomorrow to share my thoughts, complete with gifs. He's all about projection.

I may also profile Harvey Langi. Weird tape. Huge upside.
 
Kevin King, and he's not wrong. I love him as a Pat, but he has a lot of technique he needs to work on. It was one thing as a 2nd rounder as he was originally looking like, but as a first? He will need a lot of refining, from hand work to tackling.


Pretty telling that he was the 3rd or 4th best member of his own secondary this last year. Pretty epic secondary, but he never struck me as a number 1 corner in the pros.
Yeah I agree, I would not draft Kevin King at 32 or even 64; and though he will almost assuredly be gone by 96, there still might be a couple of CBs available there whom I like better anyway.

As for Desmond King, I am hoping that Bill is abandoning the short, squatty, less-athletic type of DB who is too slow for CB but too weak for Safety, especially with a top-64 pick.
 
I like Beckwith, so I'll do some work on him tomorrow to share my thoughts, complete with gifs. He's all about projection.

I may also profile Harvey Langi. Weird tape. Huge upside.


Thanks, reamer, I knew I could count on you..
 
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Yeah I agree, I would not draft Kevin King at 32 or even 64; and though he will almost assuredly be gone by 96, there still might be a couple of CBs available there whom I like better anyway.

As for Desmond King, I am hoping that Bill is abandoning the short, squatty, less-athletic type of DB who is too slow for CB but too weak for Safety, especially with a top-64 pick.

Amen to that last part brother!
 
If only BB could use the fanspeak board w simulator..:cool:

32: DL JONATHAN ALLEN, ALABAMA
64: EDGE JORDAN WILLIS, KANSAS STATE
96: RB SAMAJE PERINE, OKLAHOMA
103: TE ADAM SHAHEEN, ASHLAND
137: S JOSH JONES, NC STATE
163: EDGE CARROLL PHILLIPS, ILLINOIS
183: OT CONOR MCDERMOTT, UCLA
239: LB HARVEY LANGI, BYU
 
That is one outstanding mock. My only change would be to somehow make room for a CB somewhere.
 
I like Beckwith, so I'll do some work on him tomorrow to share my thoughts, complete with gifs. He's all about projection.

I may also profile Harvey Langi. Weird tape. Huge upside.

Yeah, I need to check him out just in case that quote about BB taking him in the first was real.
 
If only BB could use the fanspeak board w simulator..:cool:

32: DL JONATHAN ALLEN, ALABAMA
64: EDGE JORDAN WILLIS, KANSAS STATE
96: RB SAMAJE PERINE, OKLAHOMA
103: TE ADAM SHAHEEN, ASHLAND
137: S JOSH JONES, NC STATE
163: EDGE CARROLL PHILLIPS, ILLINOIS
183: OT CONOR MCDERMOTT, UCLA
239: LB HARVEY LANGI, BYU

Ignoring the first pick because that 'aint happening, that's a great mock. Slot Conley into 32 and it'll make me very excited on draft day. Almost the perfect pick in every slot....well I'd have Mack Hollins in there somewhere. Just noticed that CBS have dropped Hollins to 472 :mad:
 
Ignoring the first pick because that 'aint happening, that's a great mock. Slot Conley into 32 and it'll make me very excited on draft day. Almost the perfect pick in every slot....well I'd have Mack Hollins in there somewhere. Just noticed that CBS have dropped Hollins to 472 :mad:
With this mock i am willing to take risk and let my binkie to get drafted somewhere else. Others teams will not know how to use him properly so he would be cut or traded to pats in year or two:)
 
That is one outstanding mock. My only change would be to somehow make room for a CB somewhere.
Just imagine us finding another good corner from undrafted free agent group.
 
Just imagine us finding another good corner from undrafted free agent group.


I hope this fine board takes another deeper dip at CB class after 253 bc the top 20 CBs are going fast at the moment .. while the WRs are falling (as expected).

I also expect BB to take 2-3 UDFA CBs - and Id like to know what's really there..
even guys like Holsey, DeCoud, Cutrer, Langley etc. are not falling out anymore..
 
Ignoring the first pick because that 'aint happening, that's a great mock. Slot Conley into 32 and it'll make me very excited on draft day. Almost the perfect pick in every slot....well I'd have Mack Hollins in there somewhere. Just noticed that CBS have dropped Hollins to 472 :mad:


Agree. The news of chronic arthritis might make a team or two at the top of the board look elsewhere, but he played with this condition for years and its not going to affect him much on the field since its more about maintenance.

Especially when you have injury-addicted Bills at #10 as this BUF satire illustrates:
SATIRE: Jonathan Allen Shoots Up Bills Big Board Due to Injury Concerns

Quote: "First, I asked him if he would rather be a dog or a cat. He said cat," Whaley said. "I like cats. They’re clean, low maintenance, and highly athletic. So that checked one box."
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Seriously though he looks like the top on&off the field prospect that can carry your D and the locker room - and for more than just 4 years..
 
Id really like if some day somebody from the Beckwith family here could explain to me what makes him a good future NFL player.

Watching his games I can't see it. Apart from occasional big plays (that can make great highlight reel for sure) I can't see it. I don't see the player (motor, instincts, IQ, character, heart..) among other issues..

I want to - he is low enough on boards for a 3rd round pick . considering weak LB class and his good measurements - so Id appreciate some help..

ps
same with Bowser

General thoughts: Beckwith is often moving guys around the formation and pointing out responsibilities. He's a smart player. He's almost always around the ball on run plays. That's not to say that his tape is all good, but the first thing I want to see from a linebacker is an understanding of defensive responsibilities, and then instincts to be near the ball. He checks those boxes for me. Then I wonder: can he take on blocks? It's easy to make an unblocked tackle, but can he stack and shed? The answer is yes (well, usually; he has some weird miscues at times).

I'm grabbing some clips from 2015, since there aren't a ton from before his injury in 2016 (although he was putting up the best numbers of his career). I'll do a few for each game that's up on Draftbreakdown.com. My goal is to convince you regarding his positive traits, so I'm skipping bad plays, since you already know all about them. Don't complain that I'm cherry picking -- I'm doing it on purpose. :p

He's not a perfect prospect. I gave him an early-mid 3rd round grade prior to injury, whereas he was largely regarded as a late-1st or 2nd round guy. Now that the market value has dropped for him due to the ACL, there's a very good chance that he could be available for the pick we got for Collins. That seems like the right spot to take a gamble. If Hightower leaves, then I'd take him earlier, just to make sure we got our guy. It's all about projection, and he is very good when he plays with the right technique.

Here's a great two-play sequence. On the first play he is patient, reads the play, sidesteps the pulling right guard, and makes a solid tackle. On the second play, however, he diagnoses the run before the handoff even occurs, bursts toward the line at the snap, ragdolls the left guard, and drops the back immediately for a third-down stop. Me like! :)



Mixed feelings about this play. On the one hand, he probably should have mirrored the flow of the back, but on the other hand, he was also trying to stay disciplined in case it's a quarterback run (watch his eyes stay on Dak Prescott, who we all know is a true threat to run, until he's sure where the ball is). The reason I wanted to highlight this play, however, is that one of the big knocks against him is his play speed. Notice the burst once he begins his pursuit. He takes a good angle and accelerates into the tackle.



I know, I know. I can hear your reaction already to this next play. "He gave up a first down! He can't cover! Why is this even remotely positive?" Well, I'm glad you asked. ;)

One of the most important things about scouting is looking for transferable traits, and not simply grading a prospect pass/fail based on a play outcome. Here, Beckwith doesn't prevent the first down, but he does show the speed, agility, and body control to get considerable depth on his drop, locate the ball, and make a strong tackle. It looks like he was expecting a wheel route, and dropped farther than he should have for this play.

In my opinion, it just highlights his range. He can be coached up to take a better angle or avoid the rub from the receiver. The point is that he has the physical ability to move smoothly when going backward or laterally. That's important.


Good stand up blitzer -- for a "slow" guy, he sure gets into the backfield in a hurry. Here he doesn't quite get the takedown on Prescott (but I won't mark him down for that; Dak has made a lot of NFL defenders look silly too), but he does force him off his landmark, which results in an errant throw. I just included it to show that he has value against the pass and could slide into the Hightower role if we lose him, as sobering as that thought might be.



Another example of solid coverage skills. Maybe he's not a Luke Kuechly who will jump the route and take this to the house, but he stays shows a low, compact backpedal, and transitions pretty well to make the play. He probably could have picked this ball off, but maybe he's been coached to just stick to the receiver. Regardless, it shows much better movement skills than most of his online evaluations would have you believe. I can work with this coverage at LB.



Okay, I can only do 5 gifs per post, so I'll be back later with other games and more plays that I like. This game is worth watching, though. He spends a lot of time toward the end rushing the quarterback, and he flushes him out of the pocket several times. Early on, he's a force against the run. He has some misplays, but I'd say on the whole it's a very solid game.

Kendell Beckwith vs Mississippi St 2015
 
@long distance Come take a gander. This post and the one above are just two games from last year. I'll do more from this year later, as I have time.


When Beckwith smells blood in the water:




Back to back coverage plays. He does a great job getting to the flats with plenty of time to make a play (ball goes elsewhere, but he largely took away the checkdown). He doesn't show up in the stats for these plays, but they show that he's capable of being a complete linebacker. Not a two-down only guy:



Another coverage snap. He might not be Revis in his prime, but he still scares the quarterback off from the checkdown. Watch the QB start to pump, but decide against the throw. My favorite part? The nasty at the end where he decks the guy after the QB turns into a runner. Back, tough, ornery linebacker? What's not to like?




They're mostly playing contain, but once Beckwith realizes it's a pass, he uses very nice technique to get by the OT with a quick arm over. The quarterback is very quick and runs out of the tackle attempt, but most NFL QBs aren't as talented of runners. He probably gets the sack against an immobile pocket passer. Nice awareness and nice hand fighting.


 
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Beckwith with his injury is probably 6th/7th round.

Here is my mock. I will assume they lose bennett, ryan and hightower and sign downtown zach brown. I had assumed dion sims but they just traded for dwayne ALLEN. Let us also assume jg goes gor #12 which turns into a plethora of picks. Harmon also goes if he's offerred more than vet min somewhere else.

1. After trade down
TACO CHARLTON
1b. Evan engram te
2. Gereon conley or fabian moreau
3a. Ryan anderson lb/de
3b. Davlin tomlinson dt
3c. Josh jones safety
4. Trey hendrickson de
5a. Peterman qb
6. Chris carson/elijah hood rb
6b. Shelton gibson wr
6c. Shaquille griffin cb
7. Harvey langi lb
 
@long distance Come take a gander. This post and the one above are just two games from last year. I'll do more from this year later, as I have time.


When Beckwith smells blood in the water:




Back to back coverage plays. He does a great job getting to the flats with plenty of time to make a play (ball goes elsewhere, but he largely took away the checkdown). He doesn't show up in the stats for these plays, but they show that he's capable of being a complete linebacker. Not a two-down only guy:



Another coverage snap. He might not be Revis in his prime, but he still scares the quarterback off from the checkdown. Watch the QB start to pump, but decide against the throw. My favorite part? The nasty at the end where he decks the guy after the QB turns into a runner. Back, tough, ornery linebacker? What's not to like?




They're mostly playing contain, but once Beckwith realizes it's a pass, he uses very nice technique to get by the OT with a quick arm over. The quarterback is very quick and runs out of the tackle attempt, but most NFL QBs aren't as talented of runners. He probably gets the sack against an immobile pocket passer. Nice awareness and nice hand fighting.




What an amazing job, dear reamer. Thanks so much!
I owe you a dinner - unfortunately its such a long distance..

As you know I was very sceptical about Beckwith watching the two games from 2016.
You certainly washed some of the scepticism away.
As you said, some will remain.

In any case Ill go back and watch the two games again - with addition of your eyes.
Also because he might be there at #103 when all others full-sized LBs with (more or less) complete game will likely be gone. (And I was not too impressed by Anzalone either). So he could be realistic option for Pats unless BB goes higher (which I would still hope).

While on a draft day I will be crossing fingers for McMillan, and be happy with Davis or Zach, after your great review I certainly won't be looking for a pill if Beckwith is the choice.

Im gonna watch the film again in the next days and Ill come back to you. I am curious to see how my negatives about the kid possibly change (getting stuck on blocks, being too hesitant or overplaying, missing clear tackles, ? instincts, fading in big portions of the game). I did saw some positives as you did, like calling & recognising plays, bursts&blitzes, killer moves.. Ill concentrate esp. on his coverage since you pointed out some good things while I was maybe too sceptical about his tendency to leave a lot of room between him and the player he mirrors.

Thanks so much again. Happy to see it was useful to the board as well.
 
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