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  1. midwestpatsfan

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    #95 Jersey

    When you go to bed at night and think about the draft and who you want and what you want to see happen, what comes to mind? Lets hear your dream draft.
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    I'll bite....



    Definitely versatility at the LB position.. We walk away with English and Cushing.. And Chung or Moore in the safety position.. And of course drop a last 2nd rounder for a 1st next year..
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    An OT and an OG

    One of the 3 safeties

    One of the day one LB'ers

    An SILB in the 3rd

    A punter:p
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    I'm gonna borrow mayoclinic's trade scenario:

    from NYG#29 - Darius Butler, CB, UConn
    #34 - Larry English, OLB, Northern Illinois
    from NYG#45 - Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
    #47 - Eric Wood, G, Louisville
    #89 - Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
    #97 - Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona
    #124 - Scott McKillop, ILB, Pitt

    It changes slightly every week, but this is what I dream for as of today. :D
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    Round 1: Clay Matthews
    Round2: Chip Vaughn, Brian Robiskie and Max Unger
    Round 3: Joe Burnett,
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    That's easy:

    - trade #23 and 58 to the Giants for #29 and 45
    - 23: Connor Barwin, OLB
    - 34: William Beatty, RT
    - trade #47 and #89 to Seattle for #37
    - 37: Louis Delmas, S (I'd be thrilled with him at 47 and keep the 89 pick, but I don't realistically think he will last that long)
    - 45: Either Jarron Gilbert, DE if he is still available or trade to New Orleans for their 2010 1st round pick
    - 97: TJ Lang or Trevor Canfield, OG
    - 124: Chris Baker, DT or Jason Phillips, ILB
    - 170: Mike Wallace, WR
    - 199: Devin Moore, RB
    - 207: Kevin Huber, P
    - 234: Lardarius Webb, CB
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    #24 Jersey

    1) Percy Harvin
    2a) Connor Barwin
    2b) Jamon Meredith
    2c) William Moore
    3a)
    3b) Joe Burnett
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    #23 Maualuga
    #34 Barwin
    #47 Delmas
    #58 E. Wood
    #89 C. Ingram
    #96 J. Byrd

    I would absolutely love this :D:D:D
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    Matthews/Cushing LB@23
    Unger/Mack OL@34
    Connor Barwin OLB@47
    Patrick Chung SS@58


    Book it! :cool:
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    23- ILB Maualuga

    Package 34 and 47 to move up for Barwin

    58- best available S
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    This looks pretty good too.....
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    #23 - Rey Maualuga

    He could certainly slip and his addition would immediately add a nice compliment to Mayo inside - someone who can lay the wood and potentially jar the ball loose. Additionally, he would relegate Guyton, whom I see as potentially a very good player, to a very competent, 2 position backup.

    #34 - Michael Johnson

    Again, it looks like Johnson could slip into the early second without a great leap of faith. I was intrigued with his OLB potential after the BC game. That turned into complete certainty after seeing him in coverage drills at the combine. In Johnson, I see a three down linebacker who will be able to make an impact in all three responibilities - run defense, pass rushing and pass coverage.

    #47 - Jarron Gilbert

    Add a rotational defensive lineman with the ability to impact against the run and the pass. NFL Draft Scout believes he might be around for #47 and he'd be great value there if he were.

    #58 - Jamon Meredith

    He'd be BPA this late in the second round and an immediate upgrade for the OT backup rotation.

    #89 - Chip Vaughn

    Great size. Great speed. And he's a thumper in the backfield. It'll take some time and some faith for him to realize his potential.

    #97 - Antoine Caldwell

    I believe Caldwell is the most underrated interior lineman in this draft.

    #124 - Javon Ringer

    I think/hope Ringer will slip. Teams will be scared to death of the mileage and the injury history. He would be the perfect candidate to replace Kevin Faulk eventually.

    #170 - Mike Wallace

    First round measurables, UDFA production. He could turn into a kick returning demon.

    #199 - Eron Riley

    Has the speed and production to be a nice WR project stashed away on the practice squad. Has the size to be a potential ST gunner.

    #207 - Everette Pedescleaux

    He'd be a big time sleeper if he went this late. One of the better 3-4 DEs in a weak class.

    #234 - Julius Williams

    Developmental pick that may be able to make the roster as a special teams guy.

    I'd go nuts if the Patriots came out of the draft with this kind of haul. No chance all of them make it but it'd be fun watching these kids run all over the place at camp.
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    23 Gilbert or Jackson or Hood
    34 Britton or Beatty
    37 Matthews or English (use 89 and 47) may need to switch 37 and 34
    58 Rashad Johnson or Vaughn
    97 Canfield or Luigs
    124 best available ILB (there are four in that range)
    170 Mike Wallace WR/KR
    199 best available QB
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    #24 Jersey

    Day One:
    #23) Andre Smith OT-Bama (contriversial yes but I think we could make it work)
    #34) Clay Matthews OLB-USC
    #47) Donald Brown RB-UCONN or Hakeem Nicks WR-UNC
    #58) William Moore SS-Mizzou

    Note: I had a hard time trying to choose between Smith and Maualuga. I could go either way so I just chose Smith so we could adress ILB in the third with Brinkley.
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    This is perfect...like the words came right out of my mouth. Lots of risk/Extreme Reward
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    #23 OLB Connor Barwin
    #34 trade with Dallas for [#51 + 2010 2nd + #117]
    #47 OL Eric Wood
    #51 trade [#51 + #89 + #199] to Kansas City for [#67 + 2010 3rd + #175]
    #58 ILB Jason Williams
    #67 S Chip Vaughn
    #97* OL T.J. Lang
    #117 S/CB Brandon Underwood
    #124 WR Johnny Knox
    #170* ILB Jason Phillips
    #175 SS/Hybrid Stephen Hodge
    #207* LB Henry Melton
    #234 OL Robert Brewster

    PFA: CB Tony Carter, DL Terrence Knighton, WR Jeremy Childs, S Colt Anderson, DL Everette Pedescleaux, ILB Robert Francois, RB Tyrell Sutton, P Chris Miller, RB Gartrell Johnson, WR Eron Riley, DL John Gill, WR Dudley Guice, QB Mike Teel, OT Nick Hennessey, FB Brock Bolen
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    Hmm, so let me understand this. With a bunch of blue chip picks and the deepest and most stacked roster in the NFL (with the least glaring holes) you want to trade most of the blue-chippers back in order to acquire a lot of mid-to-late round potential value picks? Sounds like great stategy for Pioli in KC, but I'm not sure where we would fit all of those guys.

    Who is Jason Williams, BTW? Do you mean Jason Phillips? Isn't 58 a reach for him given his leg injury?
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    Blue chip? Try red chip. How many trade ideas have you floated the past couple weeks?
    - NE had #24 & #28 two years ago, they disappointed a lot of people by trading #28 to SF...today you still have to rub people's nose in that trade to stop the whining (Moss, Mayo, and Crable all came out of that trade).
    - So here we are again, #23 and #34 (as we've discussed, a 1st round Comp equivalent NE can trade). Teams like Dallas and Carolina with no 1st round pick are going to be very interested in the talent pool around #34. Jerry Jones isn't noted for his patience, I'm just projecting that his impatience might allow BB to push a Day One pick forward - something we've discussed - which is easier to do at #34 then at #58.
    - KC got their Franchise QB at #34, they are likely to get a nice defensive player at #3, it makes sense to me that with #47 & #51, BB is once again in a position to get a player he likes and push yet another pick forward, and KC can afford to take a shot at a red chip talent by swapping a couple early picks this year with NE and giving up a likely mid-3rd in 2010. Good value for both clubs, NE isn't missing on any make or break players at #51.
    - Jason Williams Jason Williams, Western Illinois, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com Football Define "reach." You may have noted the sane and logical classifying your favorite at #23 as a "reach." The question at #58 is, who offers NE the best value, not who is ranked in that slot? I think this kid offers the best value for that slot with a NE team looking for ILB speed (check this kid's playmaking numbers). As for Phillips, check #170.
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    I've been waiting for your retort, expecting something suitably feisty. My apologies for getting Jason Phillips and Jason Williams confused.

    My confusion is not that this is an unreasonable draft scenario, but that you presented it as your "dream draft". With a lot of talent through around the #50 pick, I don't see this as the year to trade back from #34 unless all of our top projected players go really early. Dallas should be a playoff contender, so trading #34 for #51 and a 2010 pick that will probably be in the 50's doesn't seem like optimal value to me, if a player like Gilbert, Beatty or Delmas is available. If you don't believe those are blue chip prospects (like 2007, where BB didn't like the value at 28, and where the SF 1st had a least potential to be significantly higher) or if they're all gone then trading back makes sense, but presenting it as your "dream scenario" puzzles me a bit.
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    It did occur to me with your Jason Williams pick that we could offer the "midwestern directional" alternative to the all-UConn draft:

    23 - Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois
    34 - Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
    58 - Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois
    89 - TJ Lang, OT/G, Eastern Michigan

    :)
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    The scenerios you've fantasized frequently project Beatty to still be on the board at #34 - hence a reason for you to value the pick over the trade. I don't see Beatty as a priority, I draft "my" priority at #23, so now I can weigh relative values - is S a greater value at #34? is OL? is DL? is WR? - and it made more sense to me to have an extra Day One pick in 2010. Yes, Dallas projects to be competitive for the postseason projecting the 2010 2nd as later pick in the round - BB took a 2008 1st and an early 2007 4th for a late 2007 1st - so I dipped into the 4th round to bring the relative values closer together. If NE has two late seconds in 2010, then they have some ammo for a modest move in the first round - about what we'd expect of them. You can make the argument that Dallas will have a late first which is a better one-to-one value, however; Jerry Jones may be impatient, but he's no dummy. That 2010 first is just too valuable an asset for a team thinking they will make the playoffs - I take what I can get and that's three picks to work with.
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    #87 Jersey

    I will take:

    1: OT Andre Smith - Even with a tradeup to the mid teens I would take him.
    If Matt Light goes down for the season we are screwed ... big time. He can play RT if need be this year ... Kaczur sucks ... and O'Callaghan is a pig ... Levoir is just here because he's cheap he sucks also. Smith screwed up but he still can be great.

    2a: OLB Conner Barwin if available or Clay Mathews if Barwin is gone.

    2b: Traded for Andre Smith or will be traded for 2010 1st to some sucker.

    2c: CB Darius Butler


    3a: DE Lawrence Sidbury - A bit high but why wait ... he has big hands and long arms for a guy who is not really that tall ... 6'3" ... Belichick will mold him to OLB. Bill may need to trade up a bit to get him ... then again he should be there in the 3rd. I doubt Belichick extends Jarvis Green and Sidbury will be better.

    3b: QB/WR Pat White or RB Tony Flametta ... Sorry every year I want a FB ... this year is no exception. A tad high perhaps ... but how many 3rd to 7th rounders stick around anyways who aren't QB's.

    I doubt he lasts to our pick in the 4th and our TE's suck at blocking. Belichick needs to get back to the 2 RB backfield where both can block. Spped rushers kill our TE's and the experiment has failed and has been over since Graham left.
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    I haven't read where English is drawing a lot of interest from NE. Yes, BB mentioned him during his presser at the Combine, but this from a guy as twisty as BB is with the media, is like saying English got a kiss from the Godfather. Heh, maybe we'll see he's coming to New England in the next few days, but for the moment the athletic guys, Barwin and Sidbury, and Ayers who is more versatile and slightly more athletic than English have been the guys brought to Gillette.
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    I think this is at least a semi-realistic scenario. Picks with player replacing or ahead of them on the depth chart...

    OLB Michael Johnson (Vrabel)
    S Sean Smith (JSanders and his Mr. Magoo coverage angles)
    OG Andy Levitre (Neal)
    OT Gerald Cadogan (Kaczur)
    DE Dorell Scott (Seymour)
    DE Kyle Moore (JGreen)
    WR Brandon Tate (in mix with Aiken, Slater)
    CB Joe Burnett (Hobbs)
    QB Curtis Painter (Gutierrez)
    LB Robert Francois (Bruschi)
    plus Carolina's 1st round pick in 2010
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    I do hope we take a chance on this guy late. If he can fully recover from his injury he could be the steal of the whole draft.
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    #23 Clint Sintim - going back and forth between Matthews/Barwin/Sintim which I'd be happy with any of them. I think Sintim is the most ready to take the OLB starting role of the 3.
    #34 James Laurinaitis - If he drops this far it would be a no-brainer. He would be a great replacement to Bruschi.
    #47 Patrick Chung - Any of the safeties could be taken here, but I feel Chung has the most potential on ST taking the load of Meriweather.
    #58 Eric Wood - He will need to make a conversion to OG, but I think he can do it. He fits the mold and Scarnecchia seems to like him.
    #89 Troy Kropog - Is a Patriots type of player. Aggressive and excels in pass protection (aka happy Brady). Definitely an upgrade at backup OT.
    #96 Jonathan Luigs - Same category as Wood. One of these C conversions will end up taking the role of Hochstein who only signed a 1 year contract.
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    Trade Maroney for a 2009 3rd round pick.

    #23 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia-would be the perfect complement to Sammy Morris/Fred Taylor can replace Faulk and be extremely dangerous catching the ball out of the backfield.

    #34 Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech- is Julius Peppers in the making. 6'7" fast strong, will be an absolute nightmare both coming off the edge, and throwing over. Will block at least 2 FG next year alone.

    or

    Trade #34 to Carolina for Peppers or to (or someone else who will tank for us ala SF) for a 2010 1st round pick TO BE USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR TAYLOR MAYS!!!

    #47 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee-under rated, DE/OLB combo

    #58 Eric Wood OL Louisville- the combination of brains, toughness, and quickness that BB looks for in interior lineman.

    #86 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama-ahh the old Nick Saban pipeline lives again...

    #89 Chase Coffman TE Missouri-once the best TE on the board, seems to be fogotten about. Perfect combo of pass catching and blocking.

    trade O'Connell to Denver for a conditional (no later than a 3rd) pick in the 2010 draft.

    #97 Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St-transferred from Oklahoma, would have won the Hesiman this year if he started instead of Sam Bradford. he got caught with a "no show" job at a car dealership and Stoops kicked him off the team. The perfect "chip on his shoulder" QB. If Brady stays healthy, someone will come calling for this kid in a few years.
    His story: Former Oklahoma quarterback Bomar to face KU - Kansas City Star

    #124 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU- Jarvis Green needs a new student, can play Nose or tackle, tremendous size.

    #170 Johnny Knox WR Abeline Christian- 4.26 40 at the Combine worth a shot.

    #199 (love that we have this slot again) Alex Boone OT Ohio St-Massive LT 6'7" 328, 4 year starter, got "tazed" in a drunken bar fight, and will drop because of it. One of those, let's see if we can straighten him out deals, that you can take in the 6th round.

    #207 Tony Fiammetta FB Syracuse- you KNEW that I was going to have an Orange(man) on this list. Syracuse has a great NFL FB pedigree, Fiammetta will continue that legacy.

    #234 Brain Toal LB Boston College- doesn't he just scream the second coming of Mosi Tatupu!
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    Great job .. id be delighted with that
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    I'm trying to avoid the idée fixe, but I can't help thinking:

    I want Jarron Gilbert, Connor Barwin, Eric Wood, and one of the strong safeties (Moore, Vaughn or Chung).

    I'm not sure how realistic that is, though. It's certainly possible that all of my top 3 will still be available at 34; it's also possible that all three could go in the 1st round. (Yes, even Wood -- I could see the Steelers choosing him over Mack.)
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    I like Brandon Tate as an immediate help on ST, but in the UNC games I've seen he is always getting separation from the defense. I think he can be highly productive with a QB that gets the ball out on time and with good pace (Brady, Peyton, Brees).

    His much heralded teammate Hakeem Nicks made the difficult catches when covered, but I worry about his ability to separate in the NFL. Shouldn't matter since the Pats likely won't take him at #23 and he shouldn't last until #34.
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