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Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow (Feb 5/09)?

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  1. JSn

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    So lost in the drama (must be a Pats forum) is that tomorrow is the first day the franchise tag can be applied. To me the smart move by the Pats would be a very decisive action at the moment it can be done. This will tell every other team in the league without question the Patriots have clear intentions about not letting Matt walk away and will begin the bargaining.

    I think delaying it would be ok, but an immediate action would send a clear signal to the NFL and also kick down the door to speculation castle.

    Anyone else think it happens tomorrow?
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    When is the first day they could trade him or that another team could sign him as a Franchised player ? (not that I expect an outright signing but you never know).

    If they Franchised him tomorrow is he immediately tradable or is there another date for that ?
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    Good question. I wonder if they have to wait until free agency (Feb 27) begins?
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    He will definitely be franchised tomorrow. No questions asked. I would be absolutely shocked if he wasn't and the Pats let him walk away for nothing. they'll franchise him, monitor Brady, then dangle him as trade bait. Hopefully that all takes place prior to the draft.
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    Hmmm yeah if they have to wait until the 27th to trade its really hard to say.. I had completely forgot about it being the first day teams can franchise player good call tho.

    KEY NFL 2009 OFFSEASON DATES

    Feb. 5 -- First day that teams may designate franchise or transition players
    Feb. 18-24 -- NFL combine
    Feb. 19 -- Deadline for teams to designate franchise or transition players
    Feb. 26 -- Deadline for teams to qualify offers to restricted free agents
    Feb. 27 -- Free agency begins
    March 16 -- First day that clubs may conduct offseason workouts or minicamps
    March 22-25 -- Annual league meeting
    April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    Well, not franchising him tomorrow isn't effectively letting him walk away. I think they have a couple of weeks to decide before he's official a free agent. But I really think it will be tomorrow as a show of decisive action.
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    I can't see the Patriots not getting him wrapped up right away. If they don't, there is a HUGE chance that teams will begin talks with him right away with deals that would be put in place to draw him away from the franchise tag.
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    aprox one hour until this happens:D
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    Nerd. :cool:
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    By tomorrow do you mean work time or... can the Pats do this 67 minutes from now?
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    Re: Will Cassel be franchised tomorrow?

    I hope and think the Pats will put the tag on Cassel sooner rather than later - hopefully tomorrow - in order to make it clear to everyone that he isn't going anywhere without dealing with them first (unless someone wants to pony up 2 first round picks). I'm not sure when they are allowed to formally trade him, but there's nothing to prevent discussions from starting. I'd like to see him traded within the first week or so of FA so that the Pats know where they stand on the cap and can make some moves. I'm sure that the teams with QB issues would like to get that resolved early too, so it's to both parties interests.

    I see Brady getting "sicker" in the next 3 weeks, with numerous doubts as to the timeframe of his recovery. :D
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    No trade before Feb 27 permitted.
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    Well, it's 12:03 and nothing. Guess they're not franchising him.

    G'night all!

    ;)
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    Even if he is franchised now, we won't know about it until tomorrow morning anyways.
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    are we there yet?
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    Today is not the first day of free agency, there's no need to franchise him - yet.
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    But they will franchise him tomorrow so that he can begin talks with teams to see what kind of contract he wants and who is interested in paying that to him. Better to get that ball rolling sooner rather than later.
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    The minute the Pats franchise Matt, that $14.6M cap room disappears, so my guess is that they will wait at least a week to 10 days before they do anything. They can talk with teams and lay the groundwork for a deal, talk to the agent and let him know what they plan to do. They might even give the agent a heads up and let him negotiate a new contract with the trading partner. Nothing can be done until Feb 27, so keeping that money off of the books makes all the sense in the world for the Pats.
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    Yeah I see no need to do it first thing on the first day, really is no benefit. I would think within a week.
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    No harm in that, if we go from, say, $20M to $5M available it doesn't make any difference. We can't use the difference to sign anyone (of our own players) because when we do eventually Franchise Cassel we won't have the money available then.
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    I don't know, I think $20 is a lot of money, so $20M is unfathomable. I am assuming that Cassel will not be a Patriot on March 1 and that the Patriots will tag him and trade him in a 24 hour period. Besides, if they tag him today and he sign the tag tomorrow, they are on the hook for that money even if he is hit by a car. If something did happen to Matt, and he was lost for the season, that money still applies to the cap.

    It makes all trhe sense in the world to minimize that potential liability and wait until the last minute.
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    This would be my opinion.

    It would only make sense that they give Cassel and other teams as much time as possible to work out an agreement. This would most likely speed up the trade process, and minimize the time that they are handcuffed by the 14+ mill Franchise tag amount.

    I expect it will be announced by tomorrow, followed quickly by the first of many Tom Brady "setback" rumors we are guaranteed to hear.....
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    According to Reiss, the Pats wait till last possible day to tag....

    Thursday marks the first day that NFL teams can assign the franchise tag to a player on their roster. Here is a look at the Patriots' history with assigning the tag:


    Adam Vinatieri (2002) -- Designated franchise player on Feb. 21, 2002 (deadline day). Franchise designation removed on March 15, 2002 when he signed a multi-year contract.


    Tebucky Jones (2003) -- Designated franchise player on Feb. 20, 2003 (deadline day). Traded to New Orleans on April 14, 2003.


    Adam Vinatieri (2005) -- Designated franchise player on Feb. 22, 2005 (deadline day). Played the 2005 season under a 1-year franchise player contract.


    Asante Samuel (2007) -- Designated franchise player on Feb. 16, 2007 (deadline was Feb. 22, 2007). Played the 2007 season under a 1-year franchise player contract.
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    I agree BB usually does not designate his Franchise Tags until the last day or very close to. Reise looks at that today

    Timing & the tag - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com

    I am sure BB knows what he is going to do and is not in a hurry right now....but you know he is working like a beaver behind the scenes to get this done.
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    This is a different situation (we assume), though. His value must be maximized for trade, they're not trying to negotiate a long-term deal for him to stay or just hang on to a solid player one more year. In all likelihood, they specifically want to cash him in. To me, that means they need to immediately make that undeniably clear asap - well, that they own the guy for a year, I mean. And then let the bidding and scrambling begin.
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    Sounds reasonable to me and this situation is unlike any other the Pats have faced so maybe BB will throw the franchise tag on him early this time. Either way we are all like kids at Christmas, we can not wait for morning to get our presents:D:D AKA 2 first rounders.
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    Yeah, no kidding, eh?

    There will be fun days of surfing other forums when a bidding war starts and all the anti-cassel guys (Bear's fans being my favourite crop of loonies) begin to wonder more seriously about him.
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    The Patriots history says they will wait to the last day possible ,while trying to sign him to along term contract.If the rumors of a brady setback are true it would be better to sign Cassel to a contract so there would be less of a cap hit for 2009. If Brady can not play in 2009 would the Patriots pay him the 3 million signing bonus he is due Feb 27th. To me that day will tell us alot.
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    Not quite: "If a player subject to a Franchise Player designation accepts the Required Tender, the resulting Player Contract shall be fully guaranteed if the player’s contract is terminated because of lack of comparative skill; as a result of an injury sustained in the performance of his services under his Player Contract; and/or due to a Club’s determination to create Room for Salary Cap purposes."

    The point is that the salary is not literally guaranteed; if Cassel were to pull a Kellen Winslow II, the Pats could refuse to pay him (although I'm not 100% sure if they'd get the cap room back).
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    If they don't, then Brady becomes an unrestricted free agent.
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