The NFL should allow Medical Marijuana during the offseason.

[mosey threetupu]

I always thought it was silly to have laws that aren't really that enforceable, you can't stop people from smoking weed or the prostitution business. You may as well legalize and take your cut (and in prostitution case, make it safer).

Was it George Carlin who said something like - "Why isn't prostitution legal? Selling's legal. F^cking's legal. Why isn't selling f^cking legal?"

 

[IllegalContact]

There are almost always "ifs" when it comes to being cost effective for almost anything. At $150/oz you'd have to smoke a lot of weed, and be very efficient, to make it cost effective. I didn't realize it had become so cheap there.

Have you tried tinctures like Green Dragon yet? If you make tinctures from your vaped weed, you get a lot of bang for your buck.

Another "perk" is using breathing techniques to expand lung capacity while vaping. My respiratory health has improved dramatically from such techniques.

I'm not that wrapped up in the different means......keep it basic......some sativa (trainwreck) during the day and some indica (bhuddas sister) at bedtime.....makes for a relaxed and cerebral day and a sound 7.5 hours of sleep at night......I wasn't getting more than 4 hours continuous a year ago

 

[Froob]

Was it George Carlin who said something like - "Why isn't prostitution legal? Selling's legal. F^cking's legal. Why isn't selling f^cking legal?"

Lmao, honestly though how is it much different than making porn?

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I always thought it was silly to have laws that aren't really that enforceable, you can't stop people from smoking weed or the prostitution business. You may as well legalize and take your cut (and in prostitution case, make it safer).

Yea, legalizing pot would also allow people to purchase it from legitimate businesses instead of going out to drug dealers to get it.. and guess what drug dealers sell besides marijuana? You guessed it, they sell other drugs too! Stuff like cocaine , meth and heroine that are very dangerous and incredibly addicting

New Hampshire has a heroine epidemic and the reps just voted down a bill to legalize possession of less than half an ounce because they thought it would send the wrong "message" with the opiode crisis.. but this thinking is so backwards and irresponsible because marijuana is not the problem, it's the heroine and it's cheap cost that is killing young kids everywhere... marijuana is classified as a more dangerous drug as a schedule 1 than heroine is lol..

People want to go get some weed, they go to a dispensery or shop, get it and go home to play video games or listen to music or whatever it is that they do... that removes them from interaction with drug dealers and crowds of people that would be most likely to steer them into harder drugs



As the older generations are slowly outnumbered with the newer generation it will eventually be something we look back on and go "wtf took us so long to do such an obvious thing"


One last thing... Seattle I believe reported about $400 million a year in additional tax revenue with the legalization and regulation of marijuana... that's $400 million that could be used to help combat drug addiction, mental health issues, open free or low income clinics, aid in education, etc.. or in traditional fashion we could give it to rich CEOs as bailout money.. the possibilities are endless

Oh, and we wouldn't be tossing people in a prison cell and ruining their lives for smoking a plant

What a concept... but I'll have to stop because I'm getting off topic and arguably too political now

 

[captain stone]

Once you have the methodology down and a good plant to cut clones from, it's not hard to grow killer weed. Yes, there's some difficulty getting high yields from plants, but that comes with experience...

Yep; before I moved from Dorchester to Dallas TX in 1992, a friend & co-worker at the Fed downtown
had a nephew who at the time was a student at Worcester Polytech. He & his roommates had converted
their walk-in closet (off-campus) into a grow room, and produced a strain called M-14 that was some of
the best I ever had in the lower 48 (not including what I had in the Philippines, Hawaii & imported from
Jamaica).

All this vaping, dabbing & tinctures stuff is way over this old spliff-smoker's head, unfortunately. Sounds
like a lot of work, man.

 

[1960Pats]

It's a mind-altering substance that provides some pain relief or numbness. Not sure what other research needs to be done - certainly there's many prescribed painkillers, some with much more serious physiological side effects to boot.

Full disclosure I think it should be legal, everywhere. In doing so though, I also think that DUI/OWI laws across the country need to be enforceable, with appropriate and accurate roadside testing possible for police in the same way they can for drunk drivers. Frankly re: alcohol, I think all cars should be equipped with an IID/breathalyzer device - for a few hundred dollars per vehicle we could radically reduce the problem of drunk driving in this country.

Unfortunately for the situation you describe with the accident, your point is well taken but there is no ailment that does or should allow anyone to drive while under the influence. That argument is separate from whether or not there is a continued legal, practical, or moral reason to keep marijuana illegal, while alcohol and cigarettes are equally or more dangerous, yet remain completely legal and provide oceans of tax revenue for governments across the country.

As to the man who drove into the trooper, it wasn't that he was under the influence that I question. That is of course wrong. But so may be the doctor who prescribed it for him if the man didn't truly have a medicinal reason to be getting it. I already know of a few people who are getting it and they haven't had a sick day in their life.

I'm all for legalizing pot. If that was what was put before me on the ballot I would have signed on the dotted line, fired one up and celebrated all night after the big win. Calling it a medicine is what has bothered me from the start. That opened the door for the abuse that is probably taking place with unqualified people getting prescriptions.

Anyway, it doesn't look like doctors agree that it's as helpful as I'm being told.

What Are the Findings of Physician Surveys on Medical Marijuana? - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org

 

[IllegalContact]

As to the man who drove into the trooper, it wasn't that he was under the influence that I question. That is of course wrong. But so may be the doctor who prescribed it for him if the man didn't truly have a medicinal reason to be getting it. I already know of a few people who are getting it and they haven't had a sick day in their life.

I'm all for legalizing pot. If that was what was put before me on the ballot I would have signed on the dotted line, fired one up and celebrated all night after the big win. Calling it a medicine is what has bothered me from the start. That opened the door for the abuse that is probably taking place with unqualified people getting prescriptions.

Anyway, it doesn't look like doctors agree that it's as helpful as I'm being told.

What Are the Findings of Physician Surveys on Medical Marijuana? - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org

No other prescription drugs get abused, right?

Booze is worse

And you don't get a prescription. It is a process of certification by the state.

Its just a loophole to get around the reefer madness crowd

As to its medicinal value, I can attest to its value for sleeping well.....better than anything else out there......

It should be legal, but this works for me too

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The decline in "pain killers" is because they are much more expensive than heroine or fentanyl. People get hooked on "perks" and "OCs", but turn to heroine and now fentanyl because they are so cheap and readily available. Opiates are extremely addictive, but more often than not, the people that get hooked them have other negative stuff going on in their lives that isolate them. Once hooked, the stigma associated with it isolate them further and makes is very hard to come back from.

Galeb brother, you're wrong on the why/cause and effect. Pain killers are expensive as an effect of becoming much much harder to get -- a 1:1 result of government regulation. Previous to 2015 people could ham it up and get pain killers from doctors. Basically doctors put the responsibility on the patient to tell him/her that they needed medicine for pain. It made it pretty easy to get, abuse, sell. Now? it can be done but it won't be easy for sure. Certainly very difficult to maintain a serious addiction level via a doctor and even harder than that as a money making venture. Again still possible (abuse will always be there at some level) but the regulations have knocked that down by a huge percentage.

Make no mistake something needed to be done about the opiod problem (specifically the fentanyl to oxy stuff but also down to vicodin and even codeine). A largely legal yet inexpensive euphoria , shockingly!, was a widespread marketplace winner. And again, shockingly!, the 'need to feel good' vacuum left by this significant tightening opened the market for something/someone else to fill it a tangible portion of that vacuum. Government as usual operated on the political win and a band aid policy instead of at least thinking about what is the effect of outlawing a drug that is in wide use (not like we hadn't had some experience....for instance Prohibition. But the cartels once again appreciate the politicians' efforts).

Anything you now hear on the "news" about "pain killer" at an epidemic level is speaking about what was and/or parroting the anti drug industry (interesting point: DEA writes rules for the extreme limiting of a drug frequently accessed directly from a pharmacy. So these rules cause a big spike in illegal drug use, the kind of drug use/business that will require more money to the DEA. How ironic).

If you need to get high then I suggest you get high with the help of the man upstairs.....which in my case is a long gray bearded 75 year old guy that likes to say "far out man" who lives in an apartment on the top floor

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

As to the man who drove into the trooper, it wasn't that he was under the influence that I question. That is of course wrong. But so may be the doctor who prescribed it for him if the man didn't truly have a medicinal reason to be getting it. I already know of a few people who are getting it and they haven't had a sick day in their life.

I'm all for legalizing pot. If that was what was put before me on the ballot I would have signed on the dotted line, fired one up and celebrated all night after the big win. Calling it a medicine is what has bothered me from the start. That opened the door for the abuse that is probably taking place with unqualified people getting prescriptions.

Anyway, it doesn't look like doctors agree that it's as helpful as I'm being told.

What Are the Findings of Physician Surveys on Medical Marijuana? - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org

The moment you ask government to write rules that put doctors on the hook for prescribing medicines based on they should know a patient is lying, you almost certainly doom people who need it not being able to get it (or make it extremely hard to get it). Is that how it should work? Too bad for me/others because the guy down the street may abuse it??
For something like that it should always be an extreme case to result in our freedoms being limited, the doc-patient relationship being changed by gov. That someone may abuse a doctor's confidence shouldn't be a good enough reason.....and it really is not even close.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

No other prescription drugs get abused, right?

Booze is worse

And you don't get a prescription. It is a process of certification by the state.

Its just a loophole to get around the reefer madness crowd

As to its medicinal value, I can attest to its value for sleeping well.....better than anything else out there......

It should be legal, but this works for me too

The reefer madness crowd is actually an accurate statement. The anti drug industry still maintains, though obviously not at the original reefer madness' level of silliness, some bold exaggerations to maintain their stances.
Follow the money. You take away the fight against marijuana -- importation enforcement, farm eradication, arrests, etc -- you are talking a lot of $$$$, a lot of jobs. So DEA and the anti drug industry income that will be tangibly negatively affected, these orgs will just say great! no problem! we'll just slash our budgets and move on to other things??
If someone believes that? They have decided reality isn't an important factor in the thought process.

 

[borg]

No doubt weed is a part of our culture now and the skinny jean crowd wants to be baked while living in their parents' basement. Good for them…..they have everything they could ever want….an IPhone, WiFi, a part time barista job, an Uber account, 35 years of mom's home cooking…..and enough coin left over to buy a baggie. The American dream has shifted. Hail weed.

 

[IllegalContact]

No doubt weed is a part of our culture now and the skinny jean crowd wants to be baked while living in their parents' basement. Good for them…..they have everything they could ever want….an IPhone, WiFi, a part time barista job, an Uber account, 35 years of mom's home cooking…..and enough coin left over to buy a baggie. The American dream has shifted. Hail weed.

LOL......blame the parents for that

It's not the weed that made that person

 

[Tony2046]

The reefer madness crowd is actually an accurate statement. The anti drug industry still maintains, though obviously not at the original reefer madness' level of silliness, some bold exaggerations to maintain their stances.
Follow the money. You take away the fight against marijuana -- importation enforcement, farm eradication, arrests, etc -- you are talking a lot of $$$$, a lot of jobs. So DEA and the anti drug industry income that will be tangibly negatively affected, these orgs will just say great! no problem! we'll just slash our budgets and move on to other things??
If someone believes that? They have decided reality isn't an important factor in the thought process.

My initial thought is that if you take away the fight against marijuana you would still need every DEA agent to combat the other drug issues this country faces. At the moment they are overwhelmed and would benefit greatly by not chasing down happy chip eaters. I could be wrong. I would say this has more to do with politics and possibly the pharmaceutical industry with a heavy emphasis on the former.

 

[captain stone]

The DEA & ATF should be abolished, along with many, many other gubmint agencies & cabinet-level
departments.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Yea, legalizing pot would also allow people to purchase it from legitimate businesses instead of going out to drug dealers to get it.. and guess what drug dealers sell besides marijuana? You guessed it, they sell other drugs too! Stuff like cocaine , meth and heroine that are very dangerous and incredibly addicting

New Hampshire has a heroine epidemic and the reps just voted down a bill to legalize possession of less than half an ounce because they thought it would send the wrong "message" with the opiode crisis.. but this thinking is so backwards and irresponsible because marijuana is not the problem, it's the heroine and it's cheap cost that is killing young kids everywhere... marijuana is classified as a more dangerous drug as a schedule 1 than heroine is lol..

People want to go get some weed, they go to a dispensery or shop, get it and go home to play video games or listen to music or whatever it is that they do... that removes them from interaction with drug dealers and crowds of people that would be most likely to steer them into harder drugs



As the older generations are slowly outnumbered with the newer generation it will eventually be something we look back on and go "wtf took us so long to do such an obvious thing"


One last thing... Seattle I believe reported about $400 million a year in additional tax revenue with the legalization and regulation of marijuana... that's $400 million that could be used to help combat drug addiction, mental health issues, open free or low income clinics, aid in education, etc.. or in traditional fashion we could give it to rich CEOs as bailout money.. the possibilities are endless

Oh, and we wouldn't be tossing people in a prison cell and ruining their lives for smoking a plant

What a concept... but I'll have to stop because I'm getting off topic and arguably too political now

Well said Mayo. Take away cartels/criminal enterprise life blood, save a few people from prison as well as the waste of prison business, get taxable income generated.
Education, mental health services(an across the board shockingly underfunded medical need), clinics for people that don't have a lot of money, even rebate to the people.......good stuff. However, there's just one problem with this: This is government we're talking about. Their raison detre is to serve themselves/keep themselves in power (this is not aimed at you mayo -- I wish people would 'follow the money' to understand all government). They are sure to piss the money away for the purpose, largely, of staying in power/reelection prospects. The only real hope, and it is still not a great one, is to put the money into the hands of charities that aren't looking to help elections (certainly not anti drug PACs, certainly not social changing orgs, certainly not orgs that require religious affiliation. Give it to an org whose mission is singular). Otherwise it's just shifting funds from one fustercluck to another fustercluck and likely just shifting a problem from position A to position B.

Overly pessimistic? Yea but unfortunately well founded when the equation is $$$ + politicians.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The DEA & ATF should be abolished, along with many, many other gubmint agencies & cabinet-level
departments.

I like your general train of thought CS. While I think oversight cannot be given up -- oversight in some form is needed -- the mission of these government orgs is too corrupted. Their mission is to serve the org.

IMHO administrative power is actually the biggest problem of government. It's so big that any individual executive branch administration has little hope to tangibly reign it in -- it is wayyyy too big to keep in check. The DEA is a starkly prime example.
Unfortunately most people attach benevolence to these orgs. The 'feeling' is DEA is out there actually doing its best to simply stop the scourge of illegal drug use. Ummm, sure, and they do this by flying on unicorns and sliding down rainbows.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

My initial thought is that if you take away the fight against marijuana you would still need every DEA agent to combat the other drug issues this country faces. At the moment they are overwhelmed and would benefit greatly by not chasing down happy chip eaters. I could be wrong. I would say this has more to do with politics and possibly the pharmaceutical industry with a heavy emphasis on the former.

From an abstract POV you probably are right. DEA agents could be redeployed and maybe put to some sort of use......in theory. But in practice what you have is a proverbial boatload of chiefs and indians whose reason for being is pot. You don't tomorrow tell all of them their area of expertise is no longer needed but don't worry they'll find something else for them to do. The thing itself is too big for that kind of efficiency. But more important the dept itself ain't going to like the idea the dept will be eliminated and everyone, especially the chiefs, being inserted to some other dept (I'm sure the #1 Chief Pot Fighter who may be on the cusp of being named a member of the Swells will be thrilled with his new job, #6 Assistant Chief Glue Sniffing Fighter). The established culture of the dept will already be working as a routine function on making sure elimination can't happen. It already will have a proactive culture, proactive meaning the dept's long term viability will always be the first mission. The regular/routine yearly budget funding will not be risked if it can be helped -- and it can be helped. If pot is made the boogeyman and any study/suggestion that contradicts the boogeyman theme is fought with as many fair and unfair tactics as can be gotten away with, the dept will survive. And what they can get away with is shocking in its breadth thanks to how much of a loose cannon the power of the administrative branch of government became.

Who makes sure the DEA acts properly? The media? Ummmm, yea. How about the IGs? Well who do the IGs ultimately report to? Politicians and political appointees. What are their qualifications to oversee the DEA to makes sure it is run ethically and within bounds? A crisp suit, good haircut, nice white teeth, being able to say catch phrases with a twinkle in their eye, some political experience and a past loyalty to a campaign may seem like great qualifications but I'm a bit skeptical.

 

[fnordcircle]

I like the guy who had 1 count of shoplifting prior to being fingered as a major crack distributor based solely on witness testimony with no evidence and got life in prison.

It's like we go completely spineless the moment drugs or terrorism are at issue and let our gubmint ass **** our rights.

 

[Joker]

Did Your Know In 1937 Marijuana Was Made Illegal After Accounts That It Made Black Men Rape White Women - Urban Intellectuals

Why Marijuana is Illegal (Ridiculous)

"This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."

--Harry J. Anslinger-1937

stop the whacknuts boogeyman arguments...Anslinger was PAID $50,000 to wage a public war before Congress by elements of the burgeoning pharm industry. He created the Reefer Madness meme before Congress and then *presto!*, cocaine was added a s a rider on the illegalization of weed bill. Why, you ask? Try BIPHETAMINES in every GI's pack along with his K rations followed by the strategic planning to inundate American society with an ocean of uppers and downers to get John and Mary Q. American through their tough work weeks.So,the U.S. bans coca as an ingredient in every friggin' thing from Coca Cola and Pepsi to Auntie Em's rheumatism tonic and there follows an ultimately megatrillion dollar industry controlled by the manufacturers of caffeine, amphetamine, nembutol, seconal and literally thousands of other drugs.

Obscene profits. THERE'S your goddamned smoking gun and half you idiots still buy this "marywanner is REAL BAD and Hitler used it against the Allies" hilarity still being blabbered out on talk radio today as "fact".

 

[fnordcircle]

Did Your Know In 1937 Marijuana Was Made Illegal After Accounts That It Made Black Men Rape White Women - Urban Intellectuals

Why Marijuana is Illegal (Ridiculous)

"This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."

--Harry J. Anslinger-1937

stop the whacknuts boogeyman arguments...Anslinger was PAID $50,000 to wage a public war before Congress by elements of the burgeoning pharm industry. He created the Reefer Madness meme before Congress and then *presto!*, cocaine was added a s a rider on the illegalization of weed bill. Why, you ask? Try BIPHETAMINES in every GI's pack along with his K rations followed by the strategic planning to inundate American society with an ocean of uppers and downers to get John and Mary Q. American through their tough work weeks.So,the U.S. bans coca as an ingredient in every friggin' thing from Coca Cola and Pepsi to Auntie Em's rheumatism tonic and there follows an ultimately megatrillion dollar industry controlled by the manufacturers of caffeine, amphetamine, nembutol, seconal and literally thousands of other drugs.

Obscene profits. THERE'S your goddamned smoking gun and half you idiots still buy this "marywanner is REAL BAD and Hitler used it against the Allies" hilarity still being blabbered out on talk radio today as "fact".

Either I'm high af right now or that post ****ing owns.