The Las Vegas Raiders - are you F*cking kidding me.

[fourhour]

I don't disagree with your post. I am just not sure what the "genetic lottery" part means.

In other words, the lucky sperm!

 

[The Brandon Five]

Oh, by the way, illegals are ineligible to receive any form of welfare.

They are eligible for WIC. The only requirement is that you are a "resident".

WIC Eligibility Requirements | Food and Nutrition Service

 

[archstanton543]

Why did a post with a sentiment we can all agree with -- giving billionaires a free stadium is crazy -- get replaced by polarizing attacks that demonize phantom illegals as the reason for our woes.

This election season is disheartening enough without dragging PatsFans into a debate over whether financial exploitation should be comparable with rape. Rape is an intensely personal and intimate violation and the fact you suggest it is the same thing as losing a bit of money really shows how out of touch you are with rape culture.

Also, do you not agree -- in the very least -- that building a stadium can provide jobs for citizens and not exclusively your phantom travelling caravan of Mexicans flocking to Las Vegas?

Stay classy, my friend.

There are an estimated 11.4 million illegal immigrants in the country (and the actual number is probably much higher). And almost 70% of them on welfare of some kind. That's hardly a phantom.

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

 

[PP2]

They are eligible for WIC. The only requirement is that you are a "resident".

WIC Eligibility Requirements | Food and Nutrition Service

Ok, please give me an estimate of how much money illegals are exploiting from this program.

I guarantee you it doesn't come within 1% of how much corporations have exploited from the government, in the form of "subsidies," "assistance," or evading income tax.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Actually the money for both this and the proposed stadium in San Diego are going to be generated by a hotel tax, so technically the residents won't be affected.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

There are an estimated 11.4 million illegal immigrants in the country (and the actual number is probably much higher). And almost 70% of them on welfare of some kind. That's hardly a phantom.

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

The true number of illegals is much closer to 40 million than 11, think about it, back in the days of GEB, when they were talking about amnesty, the number they were throwing around then was 15 million( and that was low at the time) and with the complete shut down of immigration enforcement over the last seven years, the true number is somewhere between 30-40 million, everyone having babies on the tax payers dime, not paying any income tax, in fact, claiming over 30 million in fake earned Income credits.

For those that cry about schools and hospitals, F you removed these illegals, both institutions would save billions.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Ok, please give me an estimate of how much money illegals are exploiting from this program.

I guarantee you it doesn't come within 1% of how much corporations have exploited from the government, in the form of "subsidies," "assistance," or evading income tax.

I'm not arguing that point. I didn't even know that they were eligible for WIC until the whole kerfuffle in Kansas earlier this year.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Oh, by the way, illegals are ineligible to receive any form of welfare.

Illegals are also ineligible to work. How's that working out?

Once they have the fake documents they use to scam the EIC they can get welfare, too.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Well...if anything, the name, Las Vegas Raiders certainly fits.

 

[signbabybrady]

A lot of *****ing going on in this thread and I'm over here like road games in Las Vegas.

My only question is even if the stadium isn't built will they move before next season because we play them on the road?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Can't wait. What will the stadium name be?

"DraftKings Field"?
"MGM Sportsbook Stadium"?
"Bugsy Siegel Memorial Arena"?

 

[XLIX]

My only question is even if the stadium isn't built will they move before next season because we play them on the road?

Good question. I can't imagine Oakland will be terribly happy with what the Raiders are doing, so they will make life as difficult as possible for them. However, not sure the Raiders can make the move to Las Vegas until the new facility is built. UNLV's stadium would not be suitable for an NFL team, none the least of which is that it is open air.

 

[Tony2046]

They weren't expansion teams in all those cities but to answer your question they were bad enough to leave because those cities refused to fund huge stadium projects and they were good enough to get an NFL team back when they (as a community) changed their minds and funded huge stadium projects.

Yeah you're right. I know. I don't like it though.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Can't wait. What will the stadium name be?

"DraftKings Field"?
"MGM Sportsbook Stadium"?
"Bugsy Siegel Memorial Arena"?

Hard Rock, or wait that name is already taken.

 

[mosslost]

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[XLIX]

Hard Rock, or wait that name is already taken.

They'll sell to the highest bidder, even if it's "already taken."

The only thing potentially holding up this move is the NFL's fear of looking like hypocrites for opposing legalized sports gambling at every turn (including suing NJ in federal court to prevent them from legalizing sports gambling) but then moving to the mecca of gambling in the country. Strange for the league to fear looking like hypocrites in this case when they look like hypocrites on virtually every single other issue impacting them. But this is a league who has, in the past, refused to even air vegas.com commercials during their games. (I believe that embargo no longer applies, but I am not sure)

 

[bobbutts]

While I understand the loathing that goes along with this story, it isn't worth a bucket of warm spit compared to the way the taxpayers are raped in order to provide welfare for illegals, as well as let them file for the EIC on their tax returns, when they don't pay taxes to start with, and thus recoup a few thousand more from the taxpayers.

At the least, in a mind-numbingly ironic kind of way, you can see that at least by building and running the stadium you are providing jobs for illegals, though even then I suspect that much of their pay is still under the table.

It's probably less than you think.
Cost of Illegal Immigrants
I assume you are a big fan of spending 10 Billion or more on a border wall too.

 

[SEA_Pat]

It seems like the Nfl is covertly trying to sway away from traditional football stadiums and run with domes/retractable roofs (Vikings/Falcons/New Rams stadium/Proposed Chargers stadium/Vegas raiders if it pulls through) wouldn't be surprised if in the future its a mandatory requirement that every stadium follows suit with having a dome or retractable roof meaning no more rain/snow/freezing games continuing the softening of the NFL along with the excessive nancy flags

Which is just another reason why we're successful. Kraft had the foresight to build an open-air stadium in New England, knowing that when opposing warm weather teams come to play in the winter, we'd have a huge advantage and that the Patriots would be battle tested in all conditions. Contrast that with Minnesota, who covered their stadium and removed that edge from their team for no good reason. Other teams used to hate going there to play.

Training and playing in the Las Vegas desert would surely give them an edge too.

 

[patfanken]

There are an estimated 11.4 million illegal immigrants in the country (and the actual number is probably much higher). And almost 70% of them on welfare of some kind. That's hardly a phantom.

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I hope you know when you cite Wikipedia, you are basing your information on a site where ANYONE can go and change that ridiculous 70% number down to 1o% or up to 1oo%. This is like saying that black youth unemployment is 59% when it is actually 24% (not that THAT number should be acceptable), or when he claims the trade deficit is $900MM when it actually is $500MM and then forgets to mention that we've had trade deficits every year since the 60's and somehow managed to stumble along.

To go peddle your propaganda some where else. You've been exposed as the stooge you are. And if you want to respond DO it in the political forum and stop trying to bully people here who want to talk football.

 

[patfanken]

Improving the infrastructure around a stadium, is a prudent use of public money, but it should stop entirely if a penny goes into the actual construction of the stadium.

What makes the vote of Nevada legislature so mind boggling is that there have been dozens of economic impact studies going back DECADES that have shown conclusively that there has never been a public/private partnership into ANY of these white elephant stadiums that has lived up to the promises made before they were built. NOT A ONE! They have all cost the taxpayers money. Some more than others, but ALL of them did nothing but line the pockets of the billionaire owners who wanted them built.

I am particularly proud that all FOUR of our major sports teams play in great arenas, stadiums and parks that were built ENTIRELY by private funds. The new Garden where the Bruins and Celts play, was paid for privately. Fenway Park has undergone over $300MM since the new ownership took over about 15 years ago without asking for a dime in public money, and of course our own Gillette Stadium. So when Boston sports fans go and support their teams they don't have to deal with any kind of hypocrisy that we have seen in EVERY OTHER football stadium in the NFL save 2. Green Bay and NE.

Good for you Brits for doing the same.