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  1. Fixit

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    Yes, I'm talking about the play where Warner fumbled on the goal line and Tebucky returned it for what would have been the clinching touchdown, but Willie got flagged for tackling Faulk.

    My question is this: was that on a play-action pass? I can't remember clearly, but I think it may have been.
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    The reason I ask is that, on a play-action pass, defenders are allowed to tackle any runner who is reasonably expected to have the ball.

    It's been bugging me.
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    I don't remember, but I think it was. Warner ended up rolling to his right while Faulk ran out to the left, so it was probably some kind of bootleg. I doubt they would run a sprint-out with Warner and no play fake.
    I am not sure though because of that rule you just cited. Now that I think closer, I think it was a regular play where Warner was looking right and got forced out of the pocket by Phifer maybe? I checked youtube and couldn't find anything.
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    Yeah, I checked YouTube, to no avail. Man, people are so lazy! :)
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    Faulk was way out in the left flat on a goal line play. No way could you use that excuse. WMG held him and was called for it. It wasn't necessarily a bad hold. Warner would have had Faulk for a TD if Faulk got by Willie. It was Faulk being held that made Warner move to the right looking for a receiver.
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    I was asking.

    Cheese and rice, some people here are high-strung. Try decaf, brother. Oooh! Or herbal tea!

    However, thank you for clarifying the play itself. I couldn't find any video.
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    I think those things were up on youtube before youtube got anal about NFL stuff (after the NFL complained).
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    yes warner was passing the ball but when Willie knocked down Marshel Faulk Warner ran for the score but lost the ball but if wille was pushing Faulk it would have been Game over.
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    It was not a play fake. Faulk was lined up offset about 4 yards to Warner's left. Warner dropped straight back, and Faulk ran a pass pattern to the left directly out of the formation, and Willie wrapped his arms around him. Warner and Faulk didn't come within 5 yards of each other.

    If it had been a play fake, though, it shouldn't have been a penalty.
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    From my recolection Willie wrapped his arms around faulk but imediately jumped back with his arms out (as to say " I didn't hold him") and faulk almost fell down trying to break free, that is why the flag was thrown...there was no playaction pass, Warner was deliberatly trying to run a bootleg to run it in or dump it over the D for the TD...It was an Iffy call, but there was a lot of hard hits and grabing in that game, who to say how the outcome would have been...

    PD
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    "A lot of hard hits & grabbing?" Uhmmm only by your boys, & not by my team. You got it right though Warner rolled out trying to find a receiver, after Faulk got held up. I actually recorded the NFL network's re-airing of SB 36 a few weeks ago. Yes yes I had the %#@$#$#$ thing on tape from 01, but I wanted it on DVD. Besides for some reason I haven't exactly been able to watch it since. YES I KNOW IT'S BEEN 5 YRS, BUT IT STILL HURTS OK????? Anyway..............point is y'all were holding us up all game, & they finally called it when Faulk got tackled. BUT as I've said since we SHOULD have held your WRs the same way, & made it a fair fight. Unfortunately for us that idiot Lovie Smith, didn't make the adjustment & didn't fight fire w/ fire. And regardless of who held what, none of that matters bc we still ended up tying the damn game. Only to watch Lovie Smith's MORONIC prevent defense PREVENT us from winning that %@#%$%#$@ game.

    Bc had we gone to OT, & the Rams win the toss? Based upon how we were clicking, we had the momentum & I believe we could've won it in OT. Unfortunately though Brady & that b@stard Vinatieri killed all that noise real quick. Anyway y'all have won 2 SBs since that time, so why even bother talking about 01? What are y'all upset that you didn't blow us out? Here's a news flash for you guys.........You NEVER blow ANYONE out in the SB. So take your victory lap, & enjoy it. Bc I sincerely hope it's a cold day in hell b4 y'all have another one.:D Unfortunately I just don't think I'm going to get my wish, bc it looks like y'all will win your 4th SB b4 the decade is out. And that just makes me die a little bit inside.:(
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  12. Fixit

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    Rams receivers didn't get held; they got legally pounded, because the book on them was that they were soft and didn't like contact. The book was right, judging by the T-Rex Arms Disease they apparently contracted.
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    Hey man, why the hell are you on our board? is it because you want to fell what it is like to be in a Dynasty Forum? Your responses are very colorful but you lack tact and your consistent disdain for Our Pats makes me wonder if deep down inside you wish you were Tom Brady.
    We played smash mouth football in SB 36...something your stock boy wasn't used to... my favorite moment of that game is when Vrable smacks Warner in the mouth for the TY pick and the next series he gets sandwiched by 2 defenders and almost chokes on his mouth piece as he goes down, he looked like he was knocked out there? How did you feel about that one?

    Man at the end of that Game Warner's Face looked like road kill...Ahh the memories!

    PD
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    Legal at the time, but how come they came out after that & emphasized the pass interference rules more than they had in SB 36? Hmmmmmmmm? Another funny thing is that even though SB 38 ended the exact same way ours did? For SOME reason the Panthers actually got to receive the kick off. Why is that? Oddly enough it's bc the NFL also made it a rule that you couldn't run the clock down after the play is completely over on a FG. Which the clock operator did in SB 36, & why they made it a rule. I'm not saying we had a snow ball's chance in hell of returning that thing, & in all honesty it would have probably turned out just like Carolina's return. Much ado about nothing. But I would have still preferred to SEE the game end legally & fairly, w/ your boys properly having to K/O after the FG.

    "I lack tact, & I wish I was Tom Brady?":eek: And here I thought I was CRAZY. You're making me look like the SANE one, & that's really saying something.

    Ohhhh yaaaaa I remember that. That's the one where the Refs didn't call the illegal SHOT to the HEAD on the QB right? Yaaaaaa now I remember, it's hard to keep all the missed calls straight you know. Course I'm in the wrong room, if I'm expecting to get any sympathy here. Trust me fellas I'm not expecting anyone to agree w/ me here. Oh sure it'd be nice & all if a Patriot fan would meet me half way, & agree that there were some missed calls. Luckily though I'm not holding my breath. In any event like I said, it ultimately didn't matter bc we still tied the game. Then our defense found a way to forget what FG range really meant, & your boy Brady drove em down to win it. OH & BTW I hope y'all enjoy pulling for that IDIOT Lovie Smith this Sunday against Peyton. BWAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!! If he finds a way to lose this game (like I believe he will), then it'll be a small measure of revenge for that SB 36 prevent defense. Not much.......but a little smidgen.:p
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    Because the league wants offense.
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    20-17. Y'all. :rocker:
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    I hate you.

    and the Rams team in that Superbowl were a bunch of pansies.
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    Is that kinda like 38-34 from this yr.? Or how about 24-17?:eek: Which was Brady's ONLY loss at home that yr., when we beat you in Nov. at YOUR house. Course I guess "y'all" wouldn't remember that game now would ya? Nooo "yous guys" wouldn't recollect anything like that now huh?:rolleyes: Especially since the Referees hadn't started letting you hold WRs at that point in time.:D
    Therrreeeee ya go!!!!! That's the kinda rage I'm talking bout!!! That's what we're looking for outta Patriot fans. That's what I've been expecting. Now don't hold back now, bring it on!!! Ooooohhhhhh don't stop a rockin' now, I can almost FEEL the love.:p Ya we were the same "pansies" who beat you in November.......yup that'd be us.
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    the rams were pansies that game.
    I've never seen such a soft team in a superbowl.
    they were actually afraid of getting hit.
    I would be embarassed if i was a fan of that team.

    one color will suffice moron.
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    I remember Mike Martz saying the Pats were the best team they played all year after that game.
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    Nope, not like those games at all. It was THE SUPER BOWL. The Patriots defeated the St. Louis Rams 20-17 to become world champions, and as Ricky Proehl sagely predicted, on that night a dynasty was born. You can kvetch about it for the rest of your life, but it's not going to change, Lamby boy.
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    Wow you mean we don't have to use more than one color? OHHH MY GAWD I'M FINALLY FREE!!! Bless you dear man........BLESS YOU!!! You don't know what this means for me, you don't know HOW GREAT this is. You just............oh screw it. I hate to pi$$ on your little parade, but I got over ppl calling me names way back in third grade. You remember third grade don't ya ace? Ya well I'm SO GLAD that you're not a fan of my team also. I'd be embarrassed to have you as a fan of my team as well. So we can agree on that one there pumpkin.:cool: Oh I'm sorry I forgot about adding more colors........PUMPKIN.

    Well I'll be honest w/ y'all, & I'll tell you a little story. I remember that game very well, as I watched that ESPN Sunday night game w/ my friends. I was ECSTATIC when we beat you, as that was a HUGE win for us on the road. Inspite of what many of you might think, I do know about football.;) While how much I know is debatable, I have been watching it for over 20 yrs. And I do know when a team is SURGING they're tough to beat. So my friends looked at me like I was nuts, when I said that was a big win. Bc I knew that y'all were on FIRE since Brady took over, & you were playing some really good football. Of course those same friends disavowed all knowledge of that game, after watching your boys beat us in the big show. But I said the same thing after that win in Nov. As it really was a hard fought victory, inspite of how "some" Patriot fans think we were a bunch of "pansies.":rolleyes: They're just mad bc they don't know how to use crayons that's all. [​IMG]
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    Ok man what gives? Your team...if you want to call it that since it has pretty much disbanded, or retired players, coaches moved on, is DONE! Your only SB win was by a matter of INCHES:eek: ...We Kicked The Lambs all over the field with Physical Fotball,:violent: ...something your team just didn't play.
    Football is a physical Game, and the Lambs are a finess soft team that got EXPOSED for what they were...OVER RATED ...
    14 Point under dogs we were? come on now How bad was that to LOSE with that line going in eh?:robot: Just so you Know, all these colors seem a little bit obtrusive to read don't they?

    If you are going to troll here please make it legible for others, I mean just because your team isnt colorful doesn't mean you have to be! :trolls:

    PD
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    WOW buddy you really told me off, I'm serious man that one left a mark. So lemme ask you something, just between the two of us. Was that hour & a half that you used to type of that response to me worth it? I mean did it give you the stiffy that you hoped it would? Bc I certainly hope so since you put so much into it.:D Otherwise you just did all that for nothing, bc you're not bothering me. OH and in relation to asking me how it felt to lose to y'all? It sucks just like losing any SB would. So how did losing to Peyton after having that team down 21-3 feel for you there Dorothy? Probably feels the same way huh, like you're not in Kansas anymore right? Your pattys let them back into the game, the same way they let my Rams come back & tie it. Unlike my team though the Colts were able to hold on, & PREVENT Brady from winning it one more time. It's called football, since obviously you don't know.

    So you let me know when your PMS is over w/, & maybe we can talk football. Otherwise enjoy playing w/ the crayons. They can be quite addictive & fun. But of course you already know that don't ya?:p Seriously though you might want to look out when you talk about teams breaking up, & disbanding. You know the old saying........"What goes around comes around.":rolleyes: Well your boys have been winning for an awfully long time now, especially for the NFL. So ya never know.......you know? Just a thought.;)
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    umm hey fool ist off, we have won SB's with major players lost each time so that one doesn't work...
    I am at work unlike you who like to troll other boards...That moon smiley you posted is from a raiders board so kinda like pamela anderson; you've been around...
    3rdly, we DIN't lose a SB to the colts...it was a AFC championship game, stings yes, but easily dealable...unlike SB36 eh [​IMG] hows that for ya...oh, and how do you think your team will do this year? mmmm 6 and 10 maybe, how about 4 and 12...will you be shooting for that #1 pick this year?

    Talk football or get lost, I am done with you troll. Try a Cardinals site, they haven't won anything yet, you might be able to brag some there....:D
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    I was answering. When I said "you" I didn't mean you personally, I mean the you as in anyone.

    Just change "you can't use that excuse" to "one may not use the rationale of the lessened restrictions inherent in a play action pass maneuver as justification for impeding the progress of a pass-eligible receiver coming out of the backfield well once said receiver is outside the lines of the extended tackle box.

    I didn't look, but the play is sure to be on 3G2G if you have the DVD. I mean, if ONE has the DVD. I didn't mean to imply you personally should own the DVD. Dang! Do I have to drink more herbal tea? I don't really like it except for Celestial Seasonings Sleepytime Spearmint, and then only late in the evening.

    Edit: Just re-read this and see where it could be taken as antagonistic. It wasn't meant that way, only that by saying "you can't use that excuse" I didn't mean you personally, and didn't mean to get you so riled up. Many (most?) of my posts rile up someone or other because I type fast and say things as I see them, rather than couching them in touchy-feely words. I have been called insensitive, and that is true. I am not very senstive to people's feelings. And my jokes often come across like that guy who talked about Kraft the cheese-head. As insulting rather than funny. Couple this with how defensive most people here are, and it can get sticky.
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    I actually just rewatched the play, and I think it's pretty clear it wasn't a designed bootleg. He dropped straight back and looked left, right, middle, found nobody and then took off.

    Willie got him good. My only explanation for the play was that Willie assumed it was a play fake so that grabbing Faulk would be legal. It didn't really look like there was much going on on Faulk's side of the field in the end zone, and I think he was going to run toward the pilon, in which case he would have been one on one with Willie. Tough to say what would have happened. I'm happy the way things worked out though!
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    Fair enough.

    I hereby take back my "high-strung" comment in reference to you. Also, I had a really nice Black Spice Chai something the other day, so that's good. :D
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    Do us all a favor. Place duct tape around your head prior to watching SB 36 on DVD. You won't cause as big a mess when your head explodes while watching the game.
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    My sentiments exactly, My question is, isn't within 5 yards from the line of scrimmage fair game to bump coverage? It would have been tough, but Willie is pretty athletic and could have jumped up and picked it off if It did come that way, Faulk is shifty though, so he might have gotten under Willy, but Warner would have had to make a perfect throw, obviously right after that he ran it right in, knowing that he most likely wouldn't have time in the backfield for another passing play go to the WR's with the line playing the way it was...

    It was a great game, nerve racking, but great...A definite classic. :cool:

    PD

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