Still no Collins? [Update: Over the Bug, But Needs to Regain Strength]

[Wordsmyth]

I just read on Failbook that JC's back, baby!!!

 

[Mack Herron]

With that said Coleman has been on the field for 75% of the teams defensive snaps the last 3 games. Hes in all their nickel and dime packages and is their 2nd best man cover guy. Will they survive? Sure. Is their sub D and man cover D worse with him out? Absolutely.

We don't know what his injury is. What we do know is that he is wearing a cast and did not play in the 2nd 1/2 vs NYG and most likely will not play vs BUF which scores 25ppg and scored 32 on NE the last time.

I think an extended length of time he is out is a concern.

I share your concern. Coleman has made big strides in coming to the team late to where BB now reagards him as a crucial part of the defense. So much so that they tried to play him last week with a cast and he was unable to complete the game. Afterwards it was reported that his hand was swollen and he could not remove his jersey. My guess is that he will be out for a bit, which means we are one injury to any one of three CBs from another emergency substitution where we either cut someone else to call up Greenwood or, more likely, move a S (McCourty) to CB, in which case two positions would be weakened considerably.

 

[50-yard-line]

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 22m22 minutes ago
As I said the last 3 days. Collins is not playing on Monday. He's been working out a rehab place in Foxboro with specialists to regain..
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 22m22 minutes ago
his strength and weight. Team likely keeping him from the facility this week. Target is the Denver game and the team has known this for..
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 23m23 minutes ago
at least a week now.
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 10m10 minutes ago
#Patriots learned lesson from AFC Championship Game in 2006. Where on guy got sick and contaminated the entire team, cost them a SB trip

Sick team and the Colts turned up the thermostat, right?

And so Gooddell hit 'em with a massive fine and loss of draft picks...oh wait.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I share your concern. Coleman has made big strides in coming to the team late to where BB now reagards him as a crucial part of the defense. So much so that they tried to play him last week with a cast and he was unable to complete the game. Afterwards it was reported that his hand was swollen and he could not remove his jersey. My guess is that he will be out for a bit, which means we are one injury to any one of three CBs from another emergency substitution where we either cut someone else to call up Greenwood or, more likely, move a S (McCourty) to CB, in which case two positions would be weakened considerably.

Yep. I agree with the other poster that if R& R is what he needs then give it to him and get him right for the playoffs.

They need him.

 

[supafly]

I just read on Failbook that JC's back, baby!!!

Did it also mention that a handful of veterans in uniform were thrown out of the local McDonalds "just because," that Breaking Bad has been filming in a secret location for the past 2 years and will continue forward with the show, or that the government is going to take the word "God" off of all our currency?

 

[aluminum seats]

Yep. I agree with the other poster that if R& R is what he needs then give it to him and get him right for the playoffs.

What's amazing (and encouraging) about the Pats' injuries is that the team has a chance to be pretty healthy come playoff time with just a LITTLE bit of luck.

No getting around the blow that was losing Lewis, but if the rest of the wounded heal up and ready to go by the playoffs, they'll really be in pretty good shape. Edelman's looking like the key on that front now, of course.

 

[supafly]

Why do I remember it being Richard Seymour?

I thought it was the backup ILB.

#52 Eric something--Alexander, maybe? He ended up playing, but was completely ineffective and ran out of gas early in the second half.

Who knows, though? Maybe there were multiple guys who spread it around. That's probably more likely.

 

[PatsFan2]

Now we know why the Ravens got rid of Rashaan -First Down- Melvin. He's clueless in coverage also gets beat easily. Get well soon Justin Coleman the drop off from you to Melvin is pretty steep.

 

[Mack Herron]

What's amazing (and encouraging) about the Pats' injuries is that the team has a chance to be pretty healthy come playoff time with just a LITTLE bit of luck.

No getting around the blow that was losing Lewis, but if the rest of the wounded heal up and ready to go by the playoffs, they'll really be in pretty good shape. Edelman's looking like the key on that front now, of course.

A little luck is in order. With Bryant on the injury report with "foot" this week I went back and looked at WR recovery times for Edelman's injury:

Jones Fractures in the NFL
There are countless examples in the NFL of players whose Jones fractures were much worse than they initially seemed. Cowboys’ DeMarcus Lawrence suffered a similar injury last season and sat out for seven weeks. NFL receiver Donte Stallworth, who suffered a similar injury, predicts an 8-week recovery timetable.7 Receiver Michael Crabtree, now with the Oakland Raiders, was out for more than 10 weeks.8 Former Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks was out for 13 weeks.9 Rookie receiver DaVante Parker missed almost three months of play with the Miami Dolphins after undergoing surgery to correct a hardware issue he had from a fifth metatarsal fracture sustained in college. Atlanta Falcons receiver Julio Jones suffered left foot fractures, on and off again, for three years.

- See more at: NFL News: Is Dez Bryant’s Jones Fracture Prognosis Too Optimistic?

Obviously we all hope to see JE11 for the playoffs. But there is no guarantee that Edelman returns this year even for the playoffs. And when he does return, risk of reinjury will be a concern.

 

[aluminum seats]

A little luck is in order. With Bryant on the injury report with "foot" this week I went back and looked at WR recovery times for Edelman's injury:
Obviously we all hope to see JE11 for the playoffs. But there is no guarantee that Edelman returns this year even for the playoffs. And when he does return, risk of reinjury will be a concern.

Yep. Finger crossed--it's definitely within that broad range where there could be different outcomes. Since he wasn't IR'd, the Pats are hoping he'll come back and help the team this year.

So please Brady! I mean, please God!

 

[RobertWeathers]

I thought it was the backup ILB.

#52 Eric something--Alexander, maybe? He ended up playing, but was completely ineffective and ran out of gas early in the second half.

Who knows, though? Maybe there were multiple guys who spread it around. That's probably more likely.

Hes also the one that got beat by f-ing Bryan Fletcher for the big gain. Rodney would not have given up that completion.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Less wear and tear come playoffs....i guess how i am looking at it

 

[Wax Frog]

Yep. Finger crossed--it's definitely within that broad range where there could be different outcomes. Since he wasn't IR'd, the Pats are hoping he'll come back and help the team this year.

So please Brady! I mean, please God!

Everybody sing it with me!!!

Edelman, Edelman
No cornerback can beat thee
Short and white, feet so light
Get off the line so cleanly
Snapped bone of toe may you heal and grow
Heal and grow by December
Edelman, Edelman
Please be back by December
Please be back by December



Ahhhh! I've been wanting to do an Edelman/Edelweiss parody for so long. It's nice to finally get to scratch that itch at everyone's expense

 

[Reckedtrek]

This is more like it...

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Yep. I agree with the other poster that if R& R is what he needs then give it to him and get him right for the playoffs.

They need him.

Outside of a highly unlikely collapse that would be unseen in the BB era, the Patriots will be the AFCE representative in the POs. Further, given Denver is PM-less and already has 2 losses, we are likely to earn a Bye. Now consider these BB era facts:
- The Patriots have earned the Bye 9 times. 5 #1 seedings, 4 #2 seedings
- Results from being the #2 Seed: SB win, SB win, SB Loss, AFCCG loss
- Results from being the #1 Seed: SB win, SB win, SB Loss, AFCCG Loss, Division round loss
**doing this from memory and a quick Pro Football reference check. Forgive if it isn't perfectly accurate**

- When the Patriots earn a Bye it is a 66% historical likelihood of reaching the SB
- 66% of the failure to qualify for the SB ended one step away from the SB (AFCCG).
- When not qualifying for a BYE (3 times): Division loss, AFCCG Loss, Wildcard Loss.

For anyone that believes winning the SB is of a singular importance -- which I assume most of us do -- few things are more pressing for Collins than being at his peak 'ready shape' for the POs. And as we win more games and likely qualify for the Bye, no longer is it "few things are more pressing for Collins", now it is nothing is more pressing than getting Collins in peak PO Shape.

Take a look at the years of those 9 Byes then look around this year's NFL. Previously, at least most of the time, there were usually a formidable AFC opponent and/or a formidable NFC opponent. Who are these teams this year? Panthers and Cincy?? IMHO these are teams very capable of winning and have some notable strengths, however, I think they are often more of a 'able to fight to get it done' versus starkly formidable. Denver? If PM was PM of a few years ago or before, I would consider Denver formidable. But without PM Denver drops off a lot. Bottom line: the Patriots are the only formidable team in the NFL.
The Patriots can satisfactorily stop the run, rush the passer, even most of the cover guys are making it happen. STs speak for themselves. Obviously Brady and the offense speak for themselves. And of course we know BB and staff will have the team well prepared/ready to play. ((I'm not saying the Patriots are world beaters in every area but they have no top level weakness)).Given all this (and given the off season fiasco), it will be a friggin shame for injuries to derail this particular well paved road to the SB.

It is not at the point where injury can be given extra wide deference (we have to win a few more and qualify for the Bye), But as we win more and qualify for the Bye, Collins, Hightower, Sheard, almost the whole OL, Jules, Slater, Coleman. Martin being as healthy as possible is the most important item to go out and take what belongs! to BB, TB and the rest.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I thought it was the backup ILB.

#52 Eric something--Alexander, maybe? He ended up playing, but was completely ineffective and ran out of gas early in the second half.

Who knows, though? Maybe there were multiple guys who spread it around. That's probably more likely.

Ineffective was a generous description of Alexander even at the best of times. At LB anyway, he was pretty decent on ST. But yeah, he was especially ineffective in the AFCCG.

 

[FCB02062]

Collins misses 14 days straight w illness...bet he misses Denver as well...

 

[Marinlik]

Collins misses 14 days straight w illness...bet he misses Denver as well...

He's apparantly working with rehab specialists to get back to shape, the plan is for him to be back to the Denver game

 

[Deus Irae]

Collins, Edelman and Coleman are officially out for Monday. Everyone else who's been missing is either questionable or probable.

 

[supafly]

A little luck is in order. With Bryant on the injury report with "foot" this week I went back and looked at WR recovery times for Edelman's injury:
Obviously we all hope to see JE11 for the playoffs. But there is no guarantee that Edelman returns this year even for the playoffs. And when he does return, risk of reinjury will be a concern.

Oh, yes--there's no doubt that we'll need luck with Edelman's injury. How he's progressing and how the offense responds will likely factor into Belichick's decision as well, although one can assume that if he's healed enough to play in the middle of January, he will. It's certainly possible that he won't be fully recovered for that one and we'll have to hold out hope for the AFCCG.

I have no idea why anyone would think that he'd come back earlier that the divisional round game which will occur after the bye week, since that would obviously add on an additional 2 more weeks of precious rest and recovery. Those weeks of healing are vital to this process, particularly for this kind of injury. I think that puts his recovery period at something around 9 weeks, IIRC.