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Should the Pats consider signing Aqib Talib long-term?

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  1. VJCPatriot

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    We all know he is on a one year prove it deal. But at what point do you say talib is our guy. He fits the system perfectly. And the closer to free agency he gets obviously the higher his pricetag gets.

    I'm thinking if he still looks solid by week 6 maybe we should talk about extending him to an incentive laden deal similar to Amendola. My worry would be games missed for suspension or injury.
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    100% he wouldn't sign long term right now. He is going to play..try and have a big year and cash in huge. He won't be a patriot next year if he has a pro bowl year i can tell you that.
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    Talib's contract was all about betting on himself for a bigger contract next offseason. I highly doubt he'd be open to negotiations before then, as he'll probably want to test the waters first to see how much he can get.

    I doubt we see any movement by either side until then. If he has an excellent season, like we all expect him to, he could price himself out of the Patriots' price range.
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    If they can't agree a long term deal then there's the Franchise Tag.
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    Talib's injury and character risks makes me nervous signing him long term. But he's a pretty good player so I'd hate to lose him. A good cornerback is like finding the holy grail these days.
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    Not really. Finding a Revis is like finding a holy grail.

    There are tons of good/very good CBs out there...the pats just haven't had one since ty law/Samuel even
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    The Patriots have the potential to have 3 very good cornerbacks - Talib, Dennard and Arrington in the slot. That's a better starting point than most teams.
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    I'm sure glad you have nothing to do with the contract decisions this team makes.
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    No thanks!

    From my perspective, I am not willing to further compromise the integrity of the New England Patriots offense not for Aqib Talib nor Brandon Spikes nor Adrian Wilson especially with the following unrestricted free agents for the 2014 calendar year:

    Wendell, Ryan
    Svitek, Will
    Green, Tyronne (currently on injured reserve)
    Blount, LeGarrette
    Washington, Leon
    Hoomanawanui, Michael
    Edelman, Julian

    If anything, the New England Patriots need to allocate even more salary cap dollars in the future on an upgrade to the following backup tight ends that have been under contract recently by the New England Patriots:

    Ballard
    Fells
    Hoomanawanui
    Mulligan
    Shiancoe
    Winslow Jr.

    Finally, the following second round and third round draft picks need to start making a major contribution next year to the New England Patriots defense:

    Wilson, Tavon
    Bequette, Jake
    Collins, Jamie
    Ryan, Logan
    Harmon, Duron

    Between the 2012 and 2013 NFL Drafts, eleven picks have been allocated to the defense while only three to the offense.
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    If he has a probowl year and say gets 9 or 10 INTs..do you see the pats realistically spending 10 mill a year on the guy for say 4-5 years..becasue that's what he will be looking for
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    What he's looking for is irrelevant. The only thing the matters is what the market sets his price as. Last year CBs of a similar skill level (Smith, Grimes, DRC) only got around 5.5 mil a year.
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    Maybe I'm still feeling a bit burned by the Hernandez contract, but just because Talib seems to have turned it all around here doesn't mean that character issues wouldn't resurface once he got his long-term deal and big signing bonus. I'm sure they'll proceed cautiously with him, but a long-term commitment would worry me.
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    NONE of those players have as big an impact on the Pats chances of success as Talib does. I'd rather pay fair market value for one impact player than use the cap space to try to retain a handful of mediocre ones. Did you watch the Tampa Bay game?

    I think that Talib will wait till the season is over to talk contract. But he looks like he will be a key player for this defense going forward. As far as your concern about tight ends, Gronk will be back in a few weeks, and developmental tight ends can be found in later rounds of the draft. [For example both Aaron Hernandez and Owen Daniels were taken in the 4th round of the draft.]

    It's hard to predict the future free agent market, but the real dilemma is that even if there are 'comparably talented' free agent corners on the market next year, NONE of them is proven to excel in our system outside of Talib. He's a #1 CB for us, in OUR defensive system. I'm not saying he's irreplaceable but he is proven commodity. I am hoping we can retain him on a fair multi-year contract that has some safeguards built-in against injuries and suspension.
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    Aqib Talib already turned down a five year contract offer from the New England Patriots this past off-season as well as contract offers from two other teams.

    In addition, the following New England Patriots will be unrestricted free agents after the 2014 NFL Season:

    Vereen
    Ridley
    Solder
    Cannon
    Connolly
    Wilfork
    Kelly
    Gregory
    McCourty
    Slater
    Gostkowski
    Aiken

    With the three year contract extension signed by Rob Ninkovich, there are only so many slots for high dollar contracts in the salary cap era.
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    :yeahthat: By all accounts Talib chose to gamble on the one-year deal, knowing that he's a good fit here and that IF he stays healthy he should put together a season that earns him a big-money deal somewhere.

    That said, the Patriots aren't the only team contemplating the lessons of Aaron Hernandez. This is a bad time for a FA with a rap sheet to look for a long contract with lots of guaranteed $$.
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    There is no doubt that Talib will receive a large contract offer from the Patriots, and probably several such, just as he has in the past.

    Maybe he'll actually sign one of them, maybe he won't.
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    This. He's been a beast this year, but it's hard to win in free agency.
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    I guess we will see what he's market is next year if its like 7 million per im sure the pats will re-sign him but if it's in the 9 or 10 per range I think the pats let him walk... right now he's leading the NFL in INT's and playing great so I would say he is worth re-signing but its all about at what price
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    I'll leave his personal past aside. First, it's not fair- by any stretch- to compare with Hernandez. Belichick will handle each player as a case-by-case basis, which I think is the right thing to do.

    As far as re-signing him, I'm sure it won't be easy, but man I'm happy with him this season. Last season I didn't think he was all that great- like many pointed out, it was more so that his presence allowed McCourty to move to safety that really improved the secondary- but now I think he's legitimately pretty good. Let's see how he looks against Julio Jones.
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    I hope we sign him just for the sake of not wasting high draft picks on guys trying to replace him.

    Besides, we'll have the money after mankins and wilfork restructure or we low ball them once they get a little older.
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    I wouldn't give him anything more than a 2-3 year deal. Even at that, I'd make sure releasing him would have no serious cap repercussions. If he screws up, I would want to make sure the Pats would be protected.
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    They just offered him a multi year deal that he turned down, in order to gamble on himself and receive a better payday at the end of the season. Actually, there were 3 teams that were reported to offer him multi year deals. One was NE, and another was WAS. The third team was never reported as far as I know.

    I doubt that the front office/BB would increase their offer substantially enough at this point in time for Talib to feel comfortable enough to sign anytime soon. He'll be waiting it out to see what the market does on the first day of the free agent period and then go from there.

    While we may not end up retaining Talib, we may find that bringing in something that resembles him (in terms of ability to play sufficient man coverage) is enough to continue building upon the current success that we've seen lately.
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    If Talib wants to play out the year and he produces a great year, we have to offer him a competitive deal. We cannot let the ghost of Hernandez handcuff wise personnel decisions.

    The Talib decision has to be based on its own merits. And if he performs, I hope the payment decision is based on rational analysis. Right now, Talib is very important to this team and the kind of player I would pay.
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    I don't understand your thinking that players who play sufficient man coverage comparable to Talib can be drafted by the Patriots or easily found on the market. You have no understanding of the Patriots history of drafting defensive backs.


    We have a legit coverage guy for the first time since Samuel, and he might be better. And there are fans who are ready to flippantly get rid of him. Unbelievable. He's made our defense much, much better. Reiss has a great piece explaining this. Re-sign Talib. He's proving his worth.
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    Talib has decided to gamble on himself and getting the big payday at the end of the year - but i'm sure that he is still open to renegotiation.

    The threat of season ending injuries is real (see Nick Mangold's 'tackle') - its certainly no sure thing that he will be healthy when he is trying to negotiate this mega pay deal.

    If the last few years has taught us anything it is that some positions on the field have extra importance - a CB capable of keeping the oppositions No.1 WR in check is priceless - the trickle down effect can be felt everywhere from the pass rush to even the offense (who now don't have to score 30 points every week to win).

    Cromartie is about as big of a douche as we have in todays NFL, but he is hugely valuable to what Rex Ryan is able to do on defense.
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    Supafly, It seems your strategy is to take things that work, let them go, and bank on the team's scouting process to efficiently replace those things. That sounds fine historically for positions like OL, but for CB that is a ridiculous stance to take.
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    yes, a 4-5 year deal for boatload of cash please
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    He keeps getting these INTs and he is going to get a big pay day from some team
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    Do you have the link to that? I didn't see it in the offseason, so I am curious as to the details of the report (everything I read said 1-year offer by Pats due to concerns associated with Talib).

    If he got a reasonable multi-year deal and rejected it, then he is going for a major payday and will be gone given the history of every good cornerback on the Pats who chose that path over the past 10 years. Under the traditional approach, the flexibility Talib gives the defense will not be worth losing several players at other positions due to resulting cap limitations. And short of an extension that matches a large multi-year deal, there would be no reason for Talib to agree if that was his mindset in rejecting a proposal.

    His 4 years of problems will likely not be completely shaken after 1 solid season. However, if he has a good year some team will pay him. I agree the Hernandez issue will shake the Pats' willingness to roll the dice on a long-term deal. The only way I see him staying is if he feels gratitude at his resurgence, likes his situation on the Pats and is willing to forgo a bigger contract elsewhere.
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    Absolutely, and it's not just some quirk of the Patriots that finding CBs of Talib's caliber is a challenge for them. (Consider: Talib was drafted higher than any Patriots DB has been since Roland James back in 1980.)

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