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  1. carolinatony

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    CB- Sean Smith Utah 6-3 214 4.50

    Draftcountdown has him # 7 CB. Doesn't sound like a solid pick.

    thoughts?
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    I wonder who we traded our first and first second for?
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    "I wonder who we traded our first and first second for?"


    They have us taking him with the out pick @ 23!
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    I have not seen Smith rated that high anywhere. However I really like him and would love to move up in the second to get him.

    Don't forget that Mayo was rated as a low to mid second rounder this time last year. He then steadily moved up boards over 3 months. So, player rankings right now don't mean much.
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    Smith has intriguing size/agility combination for a CB and he offers flexibility to play safety as well. BB loves versatile players. #23 might be a bit high for him, but I'd consider him in the 2nd round. I'll have to do more research on Smith, his stock could rise even more if he has a great Combine.
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    Love Smith. Had him at #23 in my first mock. I think he will rise quickly and be a solid 1st round pick, somewhere in the mix with Vontae Davis and DJ Moore. I see his size and versatility being a big plus, as he could play FS next to Meriweather as well as CB.
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    Sorry, forgot to add ... I couldn't care less where nfldraftcountdown puts him right now. As was already noted, Mayo was a 2nd round pick on almost all boards this time last year. Plus, the Pats have never cared where others rank players, only who fits their needs and scheme and who they rank highly. Ty Warren was ranked #42 on nfldraftcountdown's final rankings in 2003 (and they had him correctly going to the Pats in the 1st round at the same time).

    For those in love with rankings, nfldraftscout currently has Smith #34, well within 1st round range. He is the #5 ranked CB on their board (behind Malcolm Jenkins, DJ Moore, Vontae Davis, and Alphonso Smith) which seems more realistic.
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    I was kind of thinking the same thing, if Smith is taken in round 1 and another CB is taken with pick 57 (or maybe it is 58) then the Pats could take the best DT / O Line at 48. Day 2 could be used for a 3rd WR and additional depth.

    It would certainly bolster the secondary, throw in a veteran Safety (Jones, Sanders, etc.) the secondary would be quite solid.

    I am on the fence as far as a LB early, most of the very good pass rushers will go in the top 15 leaving only the second level guys. The Pats were basically without their top 4 OLBs last year (Thomas, Woods, Crable) and old man Vrabel was only at about 50% by the end of the year. Looking at it that way OLB is not a major need, like most positions it can be improved but the unit has decent depth.
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    He's 6'3", that is WAY TO TALL for BB's liking. It's a smurf with good hips or nothing..................

    Will Moore's poor Senior Bowl week might drop him all the way into our laps at 23, he's the guy I want if we don't take a pass rusher. And who knows, crazier things have happened, how sweet would it be to have the "Little Animal" Vince Wilfork his way all the way down to us to put next to Mayo....... :)
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    Well, according to some on this board [note--I'm officially neutral], as sweet as antifreeze. ;)

    Seriously, though, as far as Sean Smith goes, don't forget the Pats were looking to trade up for Zackary Bowman, who was no smurf, either.
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    As noted, BB considered Bowman who was 6'1". Plus Smith may be better suited at safety opposite Meriweather, which is also a big need.

    Will Moore's poor Senior Bowl week has likely dropped him out of the 1st round at this point. He will need a great combine/pro day to get back in. He's being looked at as a possible Tampa-2 LB at this point.
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    Will Moore wasn't going to be more than a late 1st rounder to begin with. His poor Senior Bowl will drop him into the 2nd round, if not farther.
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    My thoughts on Smith are that he will either go higher than no.23 or not in the first round at all. There is not that much film on him since this was his first year as a full time starter. More importantly, his performance at the combine will speak volumes. How fast is he? I've seen people claim he's under 4.4 and others say 4.5 plus. What will his shuttle numbers be? Does he look as quick in the drills as the 5'10 guys? Is he really 6'3 or will he measure shorter at the combine.

    If he looks great at the combine at 6'3 running 4.4 and and flipping his hips and running with WR's, he probably is a mid first rounder and the 2nd CB off the board. On the other hand, if Smith looks like just a straight line guy, he probably ends up in round 2 with teams looking at him as a CB/S tweener.

    There is the remote chance Smith ends up being a 4th rounder or later if he flops at the combine because he doesn't have extensive game tape and didn't get tested in one of the best conferences.

    There is a pretty sick video of Smith making a one handed INT on youtube. It's just one highlight, but it's the kind of play that only really gifted people can make.
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    Smith played WR his freshman year. He seems pretty adept at making adjustments for a 6'3" guy, but I'm not sure it's realistic to expect a 6'3" CB to have quite the same agility as the 5'9" smurfs. I agree though that looking for agility and loose hips are at least as important as straight line speed.
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    My thoughts on Smith would be to use him at FS at first. Also use him matched up on teh tall recievers in teh red zone.

    I think that would give us a good combo with Meriweather. What I don't know about Smith is how he is in run support and is he a willing hitter. But as of now he is a very interesting prospect that most have rated at the top of the 2nd round.
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    My thoughts exactly. I think Smith and Meriweather would be a great safety combo. Our red zone defense last year wasn't exactly overwhelming, and having a big DB back there might help. He might also be useful in covering the Dustin Keller type TEs, as well as the big WRs like TO and Plaxico Burress.
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    :agree: If Smith acquits himself well in the weeks ahead, he's a definite consideration at #23 as a FS and designated tall guy in the backfield.

    As for being a "reach," here's my take on it: if you don't expect the player to be around for the SD #2 then he's not a reach at #23, period. It's easy to get too wrapped up in the exact placement of players in mocks.
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    Quite true about "reaches" . We have no idea where the Patriots rate a player on their board using their method of rating. If they can trade down and still get their man, great. But the main thing is that they get their man.
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