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Schefter: Groves will be biggest bust in the draft

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  1. PonyExpress

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    He implies he knows something he can't reveal. Without saying it, he seems to imply something off-field related.

    http://audio.weei.com/m/19713397/adam_schefter.htm?pageid=966

    His current mock, based on scuttlebut he's hearing...

    1. J.Long
    2. Dorsey
    3. Ryan
    4. Gholston
    5. C Long
    6. McFadden
    7. Rivers/Albert
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    Well, if he knows something then we can be sure that every team in the NFL knows about it so I'm not too worried
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    Well, that's a pretty bold statement. It's also entirely possible that it's being blown out of proportion simply due to the fact that it is new information.

    But what off field issues could make him a bust on field? Pending criminal charges, drug or alcohol addiction problem, or steroids/HGH. I can't think of anything else that would really limit him except his sexuality. And that's totally reaching.

    Also, from Stewart Mandel:

    It doesn't touch on off field problems, but it emphasizes how vague speculation and vague accusations don't really mean much until the facts are actually known.
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    And I guess the Dophins arent' aware of this:

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/dolphins-eye-harvey-groves-henne-flacco/

    Lots of conflicting information going around.
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    People need to understand that Schefter has never been a talent evaluator, or a football expert. He's simply a reporter, who gets contract info early because he works for the league. Honestly, I can't understand why the NFL Network even started using him in a larger role, because it's obvious he really doesn't know football all that well.

    Getting to what you seem to think Schefter might be hinting to (off the field issues). In another post, I've linked to a Q&A with groves where he talks about his "character issues", and claims the only problems he's ever had were an argument with his wife (not an assault, but an argument that got loud), he stole something when he was ten years old, and got into an accident without proper insurance. During his interview he said that he wanted to be open with NFL teams, and told them everything.

    You think he has a questionable work ethic? Honestly, I have to second guess anyone who truly believes this. The guy was a team captain at Auburn, graduated early, came back for his senior year when he could have gone pro, and played through injuries that were especially painful for him in 2007. Heck, he was even happy to switch over to some 34 packages and play LB his senior year, saying he thanked the coaches for putting the packages in. That doesn't sound like a player with a particularly pore work ethic, or commitment to the team.

    I have no idea where he'll actually go in the draft, because I don't know if some teams are worried about his surgery, and how that will effect his stock, but on the field (and during draft season workouts) Groves was among the best.
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    owww

    if u listen to it....he seems positive about EVERY pick Except NE's...which is funny

    and i think it reflects the Pats's stranglehold of themselves
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    OK, so Schefter heard something negative from someone, and we have no clue what. Meanwhile we already know that there are some red flags floating around Groves, and it could have been something that's already known here. Or not.

    Thanks, Adam! That's really helpful and informative! I'm totally ready to change all my predictions now!

    :rolleyes:
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    OK, after listening to the whole interview...

    The D&C nitwits are trying to sound all knowledgeable about the Pats' draft. Then when Schefter names Quentin Groves as his "biggest bust" projection they all start shuffling papers trying to find his name, because they've never heard of the guy. Then Schefter assures them Groves is only expected to be a "late round pick" anyway. :rolleyes:

    So: the only time D&C&Meterperel have ever heard of Quentin Groves is as a late-round pick guaranteed to be the bust of the draft. Wouldn't it be hysterical if he ended up as the Pats' #1 pick? For some reason that image totally amuses me.
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    My take is there's something there, and it isn't the issues with his wife. Schefter usually knows what he's talking about- not because he is a talent evaluator, but because people who are tell him the scoop.
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    Or find that giving him disinformation prior to the draft about a player is a wise move.

    Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if someone from the Niners was the source behind the presumed "something of substance."

    "He's only a pawn in their game."
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    How about a compromise: I believe that Schefter has been told something that he believes is significant. But since he only feels like laying down vague hints, we have no basis for judging it.
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    Seriously, could Groves have had a more deflating senior season heading into the draft?

    -he dislocates his toes
    -he switches positions
    -he has heart surgery
    -he has unsubstantiated rumors floated about him, hinting at "off field" issues
    -the NFL network's #1 info guy predicts he will be the draft's biggest bust.

    Sheesh. I almost expect lightning to strike the guy.
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    This just in! Adam Schefter reports that Glenn Dorsey, Quentin Groves and Antoine Cason were found freebasing kittens in Vernon Gholstons basement, while listening to Hilary Duffs latest album!

    Schefter cites an "unknown source in Foxboro" as his source for the totally credible info ;)
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    I thought it had, you mean his hair is like that naturally? :eek:
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    Now I really hope we draft him, it would be classic patriots to draft a guy like this and turn him into a pro-bowler
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    I heard this yesterday, I tried starting a thread on it yesterday but put it in Visiting Locker Room by accident...whoops.

    My feeling was that Schefter is great as a source and has great connection, but he doesn't really know the game and can't evaluate the game, certainly no more than you or I.

    Sometimes I just get pissed off at these NFL analysts. All it takes to become knowledgeable about the draft is time and effort. Certainly, there are those people that can take it a step further and add their own analysis, and those people get paid a premium for that, but for the average NFL analyst, or any sports analyst, it would not be hard to immerse yourself in the draft. You can find half a dozen scouting reports on any player in the draft through the net or magazines, you can watch highlights of the player, you can read message boards and see what fans of that given college or area thought of that player, etc. So when a guy like Schefter or any other analyst like him - and there are tons of them - comes up with this cookie cutter crap, I tend to flip.

    Groves will not be a bust if the Pats draft him, let's put it that way. And Schefter referred to him as DE, which I have a problem with, you have to mention he's a potential OLB convert. A chunk of the teams interested in him are 3-4 teams who would play him at OLB, where he would likely be more successful and be a vicious quarterback killer for years. That's where Groves will find his success. As for the off the field stuff, he's a married man, married men get in arguments. That doesn't bother me.
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    I have to sort of agree with Schefter. Whoever takes Groves in the first round has to know he is the biggest BOOM or bust player out there. Stick him in the 4-3 at DE and it is possible he gets swallowed up by huge NFL OT's. At best he morphs into a Mark Anderson type.

    However in the 3-4 of the Pats as a situational pass rusher in year one, I think he gives us a Ware/Merriman type that we desperately need. Lined up on Seymour's outside shoulder, he could be down right scary flying off the edge. Will he ever be able to play full time in the base defense? Maybe, but probably not as a rookie.

    PS: Sports radio guys said today the Pats will leave Thomas at OLB next season opoosite Vrabel and draft Rivers to play alongside Bruschi.
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    I'd rather take Mayo if that's the case. Actually, I'd rather take Henderson a round later.
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    What Sports Radio guys said that?
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