Really? A place kicker controversy in New England?

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  1. goheels22002

    goheels22002 Supporter Supporter

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  2. bresna

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    Being someone who sat in Foxboro last September and watched an almost certain loss turn into an almost certain win and finally witness it turn into a gut-wrenching loss, I would welcome a new placekicker. For the money Gostkowski's getting paid, he should have made that kick. You can (almost :)) forgive a youngster for missing that but not a highly paid vet.
  3. ctpatsfan77

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    How did Shayne Graham work out for you?
  4. Dingleberry

    Dingleberry Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    There are a handful of players who are immune to competition and really don't have to worry.

    Gostkowski is far from being one of those players.
  5. Jimke

    Jimke In the Starting Line-Up

    No harm in a little competition for Gostkowski. Ruffer had quite a streak going for him (Lou Groza award) before he had a lousy senior year.

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    Exactly, very few are actual 'locks' and Ghost is not one. That said, unless someone comes in and absolutely blows him away I don't think it'd make much sense to not stick with Ghost this year. Next year though I think alot could be saved if he were to be cut so I wouldn't mind a more serious competition next year.
  7. primetime

    primetime Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Bleacher Report is just an aggregation website, they don't produce their own content. It's essentially the same as putting effort into making a post on this forum. There's no editing or fact-checking or filtering content for quality. You just... probably shouldn't look at Bleacher Report because 99% of the contributors are terrible.
  8. ctpatsfan77

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    No, B/R is a fan site that, in theory, lets anyone who can show they can write competently* post.

    In any case, having seen some of the things Erik Frenz has posted there, it's clear that some articles there are suggested by editors.

    *I use that term somewhat loosely.
  9. Rob0729

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    Fact of the matter is that even the elite kickers have up and down years. People forget that before Vinatieri became a God in this region, he had several miserable years here. There was one season where he lost two or three games on missed last minute field goals.

    I expect Gostkowski to bounce back from a mediocre season last year.
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  10. Avenger

    Avenger Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Didn't the rookie we got this year miss 3 extra points in OTAs the other day? I think Ghost is safe
  11. patsinthesnow

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    The UDFA kicker is a nobody, Gost is safe. OTOH there is a punter controversy.

    Our UDFA punter is a 2x Ray Guy winner and beats Zoltan in nearly every way when comparing college stats. The kid is a beast.
  12. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Pro Bowl Player

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    That was an agonizing loss, but I think you have to look at the big picture — starting with the possibility that perfect kickers are hard to find.

    Gostkowski has done pretty well here. He was gold in the 06-07 Division game in SD, one of the few times he's been on the field for a "Vinatieri moment."

    Speaking of #4: Vinatieri famously missed an easy game winner vs KC in 1999. Certainly cutting him for that miss wold have changed a lot of Patriots history.

    I did some quick research on that miss and Gost's choke last year. Interesting comparisons:

    Courant on Vinatieri 1999:

    Yates on Gostkowski 2012:

  13. captain stone

    captain stone Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Pretty good, actually:

    Shayne Graham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    14-14 on FGAs (surprisingly 35-37 on PATs).

    The point remains, that Vinitraitor became legend in his 6th season; Ghost was over-paid,
    based on his performance, in his 7th season. If he continues this trend, then he should not
    be here for his 9th season.
  14. jbb9s

    jbb9s In the Starting Line-Up

    Shayne Graham was perfect kicking field goals if I remember correctly. So really Gost wasn't missed at all after he got hurt that season.

    What people here forget so easily is that Belichick let the greatest glutch kicker of all time, who single handedly won one super bowl, a huge contributor on the second (frozen kick against Tenn anyone?) and nailed that pressure kick against the Panthers was showed the door for wanting too much money.

    And he was replaced by a no-one who made minimum rookie wage - unproven - never even kicked a 4th quarter of OT winner in college.

    Anyone who says "well this new kicker is an undrafted nobody" is making a joke becase most kickers are undrafted. In fact, the difference between drafting the best prospect in the 4th round any given year and any un-drafted camp invite is minimal considering only 2 are drafted. So for you not following, I can get the 3rd best kicker in the offseason for free.
  15. jbb9s

    jbb9s In the Starting Line-Up

    Gost fans also don't understand that a lot of his skill has been marginalized with the change in the rules. Adam couldn't get it into the endzone and the Pats were giving up 8-10 free yards every kickoff by not putting them at the 20 (with 0% of a runback). Over time = lots of points.
  16. Armchair Quarterback

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    You are aware that the greatest clutch kicker of all time missed 3 of his first 6 playoff FG attempts, missed one in the AFCCG against the Steelers, was 1 of 2 in the Tenn game and missed 2 in the SB against Carolina.

    I pointed those missed kicks out not to discredit Vinatieri but to show no kicker is perfect although that is what many fans seem to expect. If a rookie or FA is up to the task of beating Gost out of a job for a fraction of the cost than I'm all for it but that's easier said than done. He is still coming off of a year in which he lead the league in scoring (153) with the sixth highest total by a kicker in league history yet half the fan base wants him run out of town because he missed 6 (5) kicks.
  17. Ian

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    Many of the writers who aren't the elite with BR rely on gaining page views any way they can and as a result sensationalize titles to gain views - much like this one. The better guys get views because they put out quality stuff and people go looking for it because they enjoy their analysis. Unfortunately the former seems to be far more common than the latter - and that's what makes me mostly ignore their headlines.

    I wish they could make it where I didn't have to search for guys I know and enjoy reading, but sadly they probably know that would alienate the guys who are just looking for attention and that's probably why you can't subscribe to one author. :rolleyes:
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  18. ctpatsfan77

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    I wouldn't say he's marginalized. As it is, he gets tons of touchbacks, and even when he doesn't, teams have a hard time capitalizing on them (the Pats allowed an average of 20.7 YPR, fourth-best in the league).

    So I'd say on KOs he's doing pretty much exactly what BB wants.
  19. ctpatsfan77

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    Remember the first annoyance of most journalists: reporters generally don't write the headlines. ;)
  20. Ian

    Ian Administrator Staff Member

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    Lol, True, but in Bleacher Report I believe they do ;)

    I wish they had more Erik Frenz's, etc. but fortunately the better ones seem to end up with better gigs. That's what you always hope for the guys who are talented, and it's always fun to see them end up moving on to bigger things :D

    One thing I will say about this article though is the article linked to Miguel's page - so the author gets some points for that ;)
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