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    I've been to Baltimore several times in the past few years for RS/Orioles series. Their fans have an almost incomprehensible inferiority complex to our fans and teams. There's no hockey or basketball so all they have are the Ravens and Orioles. No one goes to Orioles games even though the team has been pretty good the last few years. The people in bars and restaurants give the appearance and/or impression of being glad we're there for business, but when the drinks flow a little the venom comes out loudly and clearly.
     
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    If you read what people are writing, it is about the severity of the punishment relative to punishments handed out for more minor offenses.
     
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    1) People do sometimes go to jail for a first time offense. Except for pro athletes.
    2) What the victim does on the offender's behalf is supposed to have no bearing whatsoever. This is one of several reasons why Goodell's meeting was a joke.
    3) I'm not sure you know what "exonerate" means.
     
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    This is 100% false. I was just involved in a case in Essex District Court (Lawrence) where the person *did* go to jail for his first offense (less than 2 months ago). If it's clear and the victim presses for the case to move forward, they will go to jail. The key is the victim has to want this or it's difficult to get a conviction. This is the issue most of the time.

    This person had a clean record until this
     
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    Well, the NFL now does have that power. And if they aren't going to use it appropriately and consistently, people are going to call them out on it, and rightfully so.
     
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    Simple assault. First offense. No priors. No extenuating circumstances. Victim does not wish to press charges and will be as uncooperative as possible.

    There is not a single person in this country who would go to jail under those conditions. Having the charges dropped in exchange for accepting court ordered counseling is very much in line with the exact same treatment you or I would get in an identical situation.
    I am talking about the legal process and in the legal process, the actions of the victim have a tremendous bearing.
    The victim in this case has done everything she possibly can to absolve Ray Rice from guilt. I sure would be interested in hearing your take on how I am using "exonerated" incorrectly. Here's the dictionary.com definition to help get you started.

    ex·on·er·ate
    /ɪgˈzɒn[​IMG]əˌreɪt/ Show IPA
    verb (used with object), ex·on·er·at·ed, ex·on·er·at·ing.
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    to clear, as of an accusation; free from guilt or blame; exculpate: He was exonerated from the accusation of cheating.
     
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    I don't think you read my entire post because all you have done is support what I said. I agree the key is how the victim wants to proceed. If you read my post, you'll note I specifically said "Nobody goes to jail for a domestic violence first offense when the victim is doing everything she can to help exonerate him." All you've done is agree with me by admitting the victim has to want to move forward.

    If the victim wants to file charges and wants the guy to go to jail and has gotten DVPO's and is working with the authorities in every way imaginable, that's another story.

    The victim here did not want to press charges. She has taken responsibility for her role in the dispute. Hell, she even married the guy so now in most states she can't be forced to testify against him (can't say I know the specific NJ or MD laws). I am just not seeing any "pro athlete favoritism" from the legal system in this instance.
     
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    "that's not who I am as a man"

    Actions speak louder then words.
     
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    Well, seeing as they both admit that he knocked her out, it's not actually an accusation to be exonerated of anymore. Don't confuse forgiveness or rationalization with exoneration.

    Also, Rice was charged with aggravated assault (a felony), not simple.

    Lastly, spousal privilege doesn't apply to anything that occurred prior to the marriage.

    Keep going, you're doing great.
     
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    Last year Ivan wrote this hilarious post detailing just how corrupt Baltimore was using characters and events from the Wire.

    All the humor went over my head since I hadnt then seen the Wire (something Ive corrected about my life since..) ;) Unfortunately I snarkily lit into him for being so terribly anecdotal about judging a whole city and a people for a couple of their worst examples

    But now I might be ready to say that maybe the Wire had it right all along... at least when it comes to Raven fans.. ;)
     
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    The Ravens are going to surpass the Bengals in all time thug department. Impressive!
     
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    I am not. The victim taking responsibility for some of what went on is neither related to forgiveness or rationalization.
    I stand corrected. Of course, that speaks to my lack of knowledge of the details of this case, not lack of knowledge of the law. I stand by all above statements regarding the fact that nobody is going to jail for what Rice did given the other facts remain accurate.
    You're confusing spousal testimony privilege with marital communications privilege.

    "In most jurisdictions, spouses need not testify against each other. The spousal testimony privilege applies when two people are legally married at the time of trial, regardless of whether they were married when the events at issue took place."

    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...rial-spousal-privileges-same-sex-couples.html

    I admitted that I do not know the specific laws of NJ or MD (some states have exceptions for this exact situation to force testimony in domestic abuse cases) so spousal privilege may not apply here. However, the fact that the incident took place before the marriage is irrelevant.
    Thank you. I actually don't consider it that big of a deal to school someone such as yourself who is completely ignorant of the law, but I agree that within the context of this discussion I am indeed doing quite well.
     
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    I stand corrected on the spousal privilege. However, you're still applying exoneration incorrectly. Unless you're prepared to say he's not at fault for punching her in the face, of course.

    Your last paragraph is funny. It's a good note to say goodbye on.
     
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    I'm actually have to back up SB39 here. He accepted the prosecutors plea bargain offer and has to do a Pre-Trial Intervention program for the next year. We'll probably never know the whole truth to the story but if your mad at the league then you should be mad at the system as well.

    These things happen all the time between couples and without his now wife pressing charges and refusing to co-operate and standing by him this is generally the result the court deems appropriate. People can conjure up their own opinion based on rumors and speculation, fact is no one here knows the full truth.

    My opinion-He should have walked away no matter what. Whatever happened was definitely not cool on his part. If you read the bottom of this article though there's something no one has brought up. Marrying her is going to end up being a big mistake as well. Mark my words.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...re-ravens-accepted-pretrial-diversion-program
     
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    Ray Rice jersey = The new wife beater?
     
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    Goodell established in the Roethlisberger incident that the legal result is irrelevant.
    Roethlisberger got 6 games, then reduced to 4 for an incident he was never charged with legally.
    Only if the claims that the court found to not be reliable enough to charge him, are true could it possibly be considered worse than what Rice did.
    Roethlisberger either got suspended for non-consensual sex that the court chose not to charge him with or for consensual sex. Rice got suspended for beating his now wife, which the court reduced the charge on.
    You can't say the suspension is based on the courts ruling unless you ignore Roethlisberger.
     
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    Wonder what ravens fans are saying about him...he was framed?
     
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    This is vey embarrassing for the NFL & the Ravens. I expected the team to also take action but it doesn't appear to be happening. Sad.
     
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