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    He also noted that that while Flacco was first in the league in downfield targets at 17.3%, Brady was sixth at 13.2%. Real difference was Flacco was able to make those throws with zero picks because he was targeting big, physical WR's. Brady meanwhile had three of those throws picked. Flacco got most of the credit for last night, but his WR's stepped up and made plays, Bolden in particular.

    We kicked his tires in 2010, but settled for the return of Deion Branch. Might be worth a look if the opportunity arises again. Kind of similar to the Reed situation, where the age and remaining motivation might be a concern. But we've wasted a lot more on a lot less recently.

    patriots - Patriots' Super shortcoming easy to spot Sunday - WEEI | Christopher Price
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    How about the safety play of the 49ers? They looked worse than the Patriots secondary.
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    Haven't read the full article because I'm trying not to read anything for a while (and yet here I am) but the one thing worth pointing out is that this offense is obviously a lot different with Gronk. He is the kind of guy Brady can throw it up to and expect him to come down with it. A healthy Gronk and we're probably celebrating #4 today.

    That said, yes, we still need that outside threat. There's no denying it.
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    If there was one way to win the Super Bowl, then every body would be doing it. The bottom line is that the Ravens had a lot of things go their way & they took advantage of it. We're talking one play in each of their previous games & the Ravens aren't even in the play offs.

    The Ravens & Flacco made mistakes last night, but the 49ers made more. The 49ers didn't capitalize on all of the Ravens mistakes, they had an inexperienced QB, & the Ravens just kept on coming.

    I'm not trying to take anything away from the Ravens, they had a heck of a season & a helluva post-season. But the Patriots aren't going to do what the Ravens did & win, the Texans aren't going to do what the Ravens did & win. The 49ers aren't going to do what the Ravens did & win. It don't work that way.

    Makes for good sports talk, maybe.... but that's about it.
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    The difference between Brady and Flacco is that Brady turns into a deer in headlights under pressure, and Flacco finds a way to scramble and make a play. Let's not fool ourselves guys, the way to beat Brady is to pressure him. The Ravens and Giants know this, and they do it. If Brady had QB'd for the Ravens, they would have been crushed and he would have been sacked 6 times. I don't think we'll win another one with Brady.
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    It's news to some people that the player most critical to the Patriots (especially in the red zone) outside of Tom Brady would affect the collective performance of the team in key moments.

    I feel like I've rediscovered that the earth is not flat.
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    Yeah. I think the article is pretty much on target.

    After one of Flacco's heaves...I think it was the 50 yarder...I said to my kids, "it's been a while since the Pats made a play like that." I wasn't referring to Brady's arm strength, but rather to a pass that he throws 20+ yards down-field, into coverage that he knows will be contested but in which he relies on a big WR to go up and get it.

    I don't want to take anything away from Flacco, who has earned the praise he is receiving this morning; he puts the ball on target, but he is also fortunate to have big, fast guys who can make the play when the ball gets there and the Defender is a couple of feet away. It will be interesting to see if the Ravens can keep the players who can make those plays after they pay Flacco the big bucks he richly deserves.
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    I think most glaring thing from last night was that if the Pats had Rob Gronkowski, it probably would have been a whole different game two weeks ago. The Pats might not have won, but the Ravens had no answer for Vernon Davis. Davis is a very good TE, but he is no Gronk.
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    This is hilarious.

    As a Texans fan I'd rather play Flacco, because we can & do get to him regularly & he becomes a "deer in the headlights"

    We'd rather not play Brady, because we can't get to him without blitzing & he eats that sht up.
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    Ok, so answer this.

    If Brady had QB'd that game, how many times would he have been sacked?

    The Ravens O may not be built to Brady's strength, and it is fit to Flaccos, but it doesn't change the fact that under pressure, Brady turns into a girl and Flacco finds a way to make a play.
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    Agree with this a lot. Of course we'd love to have a big WR, but this offense with Gronk is not "one" of the best in the league, it's the best in the league.
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    Yup. Honestly, Patriot fans forgot about how good Gronk is (hopefully 2013/14 sparks their memory). Along with Vince Wilfork, he is just below Tom Brady in importance to the team, and then there is a massive dropoff after that. He's a blue-chipper who excels in every phase of what he does.
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    I agree. People are talking about Boldin, but Gronk plays a similar role (although clearly different in a lot of ways) as Boldin in the Pats' offense except he is better than Boldin.

    Gronk would have been that intermediary target that Boldin was if he was healthy.

    I wouldn't mind exploring Boldin if he is cut, but I think a lot of things people claim are missing from the Patriots' offense aren't actually missing when Gronk is playing.
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    To answer your question, I think Brady would do well with the Ravens offensive personnel, since he is the best QB in the league. They boast a strong offensive line and a solid running game to boot with Rice and Pierce. Have big physical wide receivers and tight ends who can stretch the seams and vertical speed on the outside.

    As for the rest of your post, it is not worth replying too for obvious reasons to anyone with a semblance of intelligence. :D
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    The key to winning the big games is having physical/agressive players on both D and O. Like a poster said earlier in this thread, with a healthy Gronk we are probably celebrating a SB win right now.

    Sooo many people have been praising Flacco for his "amazing throwing down the field"!!:bricks:

    Sure he caught fire in the post season But I'm giving most credit to the very physical WRs. Flacco throws the ball deep and it is then a battle between a CB and WR.

    Gronk was that guy for Brady and I think the last 2 seasons could have been different if he had stayed healthy. That's part of the game though. Which is why you must have depth in your offense of physical receivers! Welker, Lloyd and Hernandez are great, but they are not the type of receivers you can toss a ball down field to and hope for them to win the battle.

    It's the same story on both sides of the ball... I really want Talib back next year. Talib is a CB who doesn't lose those battles as often as others. Flacco wasn't throwing any "amazing" passes down field against Talib.
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    I think late in the season Pats fans adopted the "next man up" approach that the team takes; that and the ongoing success of the team sans-Gronk led people to put him out of their mind. But let's face it, the guy is a freaking force out there, a 100% game-changer. You add Gronk and swap Edelman for Branch, and maybe things are significantly different. But, it is what it is, eh?

    Agreed, and I made this point early in the Boldin thread. Those TDs Boldin caught in the AFCCG and in the SB were Gronk-esque; the red zone problems the Pats had in the AFCCG are significantly diminished with Gronk in. I also don't see Boldin as more of a deep threat than Gronk, who often catches balls at least as far downfield as pretty much anything we've seen Boldin get.

    I think it was Ian who pointed out in another thread: it's not like the Pats need a big stud WR to complement what they have. They just need someone better than what Branch/Stallworth et al were able to give us.
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    He has a good point. The pats short passing game results in a lot of 3rd and 5s. Miss one of those and you're out and the drive is stopped.

    So much for paying welker 10M a year or whtaever he wants. It's great he can first downs, but why are we always in 3rd and 5?
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    I don't know that Brady would get sacked. Torrey is a speedster, but he'll take a short pass & turn it into a 30-40 yard gain just as easy. Something you don't have in Lloyd. Boldin/Gronk..... it's a wash. Then Ray Rice is fierce as a receiver & Flacco doesn't go to him as often as he could.

    The game would be different.

    The fact remains, our goal is to fluster the QB, every game. We do it against Flacco. We don't against Brady.
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