PFT: Pats sign CB Fernando Bryant

[Pats726]

Re: Bryant Joins The Pats

Does anyone else get the feeling that we're throwing crap at a wall and hoping something sticks?

OK, Ok, I know "name" players aren't everything, but Lewis Sanders, Fernando Bryant, and Jason Webster to replace Asante? Are you serious?

Can we get someone that isn't 30 and on the downside of their career? Webster played one game for the Bills last season. Sanders played for Atlanta (a bottom 5 pass D team) last season, and Bryant played for the WORST pass D in the league last season. Sheesh.

Sorry...but I do not genuflect for Mr Samuel....PLEASE!!! Sorry...I never saw Asante as some god..like apparently you do... What a short memory....How many Patriot fans would have even dreamed of putting a franchise tag on him at the start of 06?? Maybe you weren't a Patriot fan then..but basically the TALK during part of that season was that it would be DG who would get the tag...Let's see what he does this year before treating him like some football God...
As CoachB has said about DBacks..you can't always judge one from one team to another...that what one brings to one type of D might be a LOT different than another. In other words..one DB might not be as good in one system and may bring skills to another. Oh...but they don't have a name???? I think you may be stuck in a fantasy football world...Oh...so they played in the worst pass D TEAM...Gee..I wonder how good those teams were with a pass rush?? If they weren't..it's NO WONDER they were the worst.
Pass Defebse does NOT always translate to BAD DBacks.
I think these moves are low risk; valued moves that may work while some rooks are brought in later in the year.
I get the opinion if they mortgaged the team for Shepard or Hall or have done the same for Asante you would be doing cartwheels.

 

[BradyManny]

Re: Bryant Joins The Pats

Another JAG for training camp fodder.

I'd say they are all slightly above JAG level with the potential to be an effective starter, Webster, Bryant, even Sanders. 2 of those guys have ties to Capers, which is a telling and promising fact.

I'm happy with all these low-risk high reward signings.

Don't forget we'll probably be adding a CB somewhere in rounds 2 or 3 (or sometime in the first if we can trade down from #7). I'd love to get any of the Cason, Porter, Flowers, Jackson Godfrey, etc. tier of CBs sometime in the first round and on.

At this point we likely have enough to field a solid secondary, so that CB drafted will be bonus.

 

[killerrob]

Whoa slow down Killer that is optimism, if we had that other first round pick that was stripped from us I'd feel alot better about the defense but I will be shocked if 80 percent of the draft isn't used on defense.
These people who want to see a tackle taken first will not happen unless his last name is Long.
This will be the draft I've been waiting years for defense, defense and more DEFENSE!

Optimism is what this time of year is about! I think we are as strong as we were last year at this time. Samuel threatening a holdout, with recent memories of Deon Branch, I didn't think we would have him for last season. I think the vets we signed this year are much better then last year, and we were in the same situation last year. Now we go into the draft not trading away our second round pick (which was a great move last year) and with #7 pick in the first round and a very high pick in third. Which we could package with our second to move up and grab a player that is falling through the cracks. I agree it will be a defense heavy draft and I am praying that Gholston drops down to us, but I read at PFT that the Rams are giving a good look at him. I would be very happy with Rivers from USC, I think he will could line up next to Bruschi and really give us some big plays. I don't see us drafting a CB at seven, mostly because there are a lot of good Corners. I am hoping that we add a playmaker to our Linebacking corp via the draft.

I know this is off topic, but so is the draft in a Fernado Bryant chain, does anyone have information on why Lua was let go. I read great stuff about him last year during TC.

 

[Pats726]

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But yeh, as someone said earlier, there does seem to be a "machine-gun" type of mentality with the corner spot, but historically this is what theyve done when they needed to improve/replace a position on the team. Last year they signed four or five wrs, in 2001 they signed a ton of linebackers and in 2000 they drafted tight ends. Overkill is a big part of the BB personnel philosophy.

It's MORE a way of not going with a PLAN A and stopping...see if THAT doesn't work out..there are MORE options.
Besides the wideouts in 07..in 02, they needed a GOOD tight end. They had Wiggins, and draftees Love and Holloway. But they cut Wiggie as they brought in Fauria and Cleeland and drafted Graham. MANY ways to solve a problem...NOT one. And it is a sound philosophy.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

asante who?

 

[Pats726]

Lua...

I know this is off topic, but so is the draft in a Fernado Bryant chain, does anyone have information on why Lua was let go. I read great stuff about him last year during TC.

Injured a knee in the last preseason game...on IR...From what I have read on here, it was like Colvin..failed the physical..NOT sure what that means, but obviously he's in rehab. WHo knows if WHEN he's healed they may NOT sign him.

 

[PatsRI]

Law 47 tkl 39 solo 2 int 13 Pd
Bry 69 tkl 59 solo 2 int 13 Pd
AS 44 tkl 41 solo 6 int 18 Pd


A comparison between Law, Bryant and Asante. All this obviously doesn't figure how many times a QB would have thrown at Bryant or Law as opposed to Samuel.

 

[patsgo]

Law 47 tkl 39 solo 2 int 13 Pd
Bry 69 tkl 59 solo 2 int 13 Pd
AS 44 tkl 41 solo 6 int 18 Pd


A comparison between Law, Bryant and Asante. All this obviously doesn't figure how many times a QB would have thrown at Bryant or Law as opposed to Samuel.

that looks like good value,put him in the pats system and i think hell do fine, id rather get him on the cheap than overpay a aging law

 

[IcyPatriot]

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That scouting report makes it seem like he chose a team where his skills could be best utilized.

What does this do to the Ty Law negotiations? If anything, put more pressure on Law to be reasonable in expectations from the Pats.

I agree with you Lloyd ... good signing by a smart veteran. Incidently, that's what made Samuel look like a $10 mil CB even though he's only a $5mil CB.

 

[miDeuce]

FWIW, I did some research in Bryant for a blog I recently posted (link below, excuse the blatant plug) and it sounds like he's a favorite of Capers. One article I found says Capers "hand picked him" and another said how disappointed Bryant was when Capers left the Jags. Made me more encouraged that Bryant might really excel with the Pats...

 

[RayClay]

I think that people are going to be somewhat shocked when the Pats still look at a CB higher in the draft. Especially when you consider that Sanders, Webster, and Bryant are all here on 1 year deals. I believe that they are creating a buffer so that the CB the Pats choose isn't thrown into the fire the way that Samuel and Wilson were in 2003.

The Pats have shown they don't like doing that to their players. There has been only one exception and that is Mankins. I believe he was drafted to start immediately. I don't believe any of the other 1st round picks were drafted to start immediately.

I wouldn't be shocked. I think these are nice acquisitions, but only for the value . These three and Hobbs are not the secondary of the future.

I still see a first round corner because I see no way they spend the #7 on a rookie DE hoping he can play LB.

 

[RayClay]

Also, without quoting some posters on the last two pages, I'm not in favor of a corner at #7 either.

However, it takes two to tango. And I checked some of the major mocks and all those bottom round 1 corners, are now mid to high 1st.

I don't know how that works, but the fact is they might need to draft at 7 and if it's not a corner, I don't know what.

There's no precedent. they've never drafted a day one (1-3, I know they changed) DE tweener or LB.

I could see a 2nd or 3rd tweener pass rusher, but not a conversion product at #7.

 

[miDeuce]

Also, without quoting some posters on the last two pages, I'm not in favor of a corner at #7 either.

However, it takes two to tango. And I checked some of the major mocks and all those bottom round 1 corners, are now mid to high 1st.

I don't know how that works, but the fact is they might need to draft at 7 and if it's not a corner, I don't know what.

There's no precedent. they've never drafted a day one (1-3, I know they changed) DE tweener or LB.

I could see a 2nd or 3rd tweener pass rusher, but not a conversion product at #7.

Personally I think that it's much harder to find a Gholston than it is a McKelvin. If Seau comes back you've basically got the same base 4 LBs, it's not like you're asking any rook LB to come in and start. He could come off the bench on third downs where his one task would be to reek havoc and get the to the QB. If BB can coach up UDRFA Randall Gay to cover TO in SB 39, I think he could do the same with a 2nd/3rd rounder.

 

[BPF]

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Like hell he's not training camp fodder. He's on a 1 year "prove it" deal. If he makes it, great. If not, its no big loss. That is what I call TC fodder. Or a JAG.

According to your definition Randy Moss was TC fodder last year or a JAG.

 

[RayClay]

Personally I think that it's much harder to find a Gholston than it is a McKelvin. If Seau comes back you've basically got the same base 4 LBs, it's not like you're asking any rook LB to come in and start. He could come off the bench on third downs where his one task would be to reek havoc and get the to the QB. If BB can coach up UDRFA Randall Gay to cover TO in SB 39, I think he could do the same with a 2nd/3rd rounder.

I'd love to see a McGinest/Lawewnce Taylor/Tippet type. Is gholston in that league?

Is Belichick willing to gamble the pick and the salary for that pick that he can convert one to a LB?

That's an awfully expensive specialist.

First, isn't AD supposed to fill that role?

Second, BB can't even fill the easier (in draft value) ILB with a draft pick, why expect him to roll the dice on a make or break conversion?

I'd love to see any indication he's willing to even spend a 4th on any LB.

PS, guess he was a high school linebacker who converted for need. Wonder if he played LB at all at Ohio state.