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  1. mayoclinic

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    From Florio:

    Josh McDaniels could be closing in on his second chance as a head coach | ProFootballTalk

    Florio mentions rumors linking McDaniels to Cleveland - especially if they do hire Mike Lombardi as the GM - and Jacksonville.

    Personally, I think it would be a mistake for Josh to rush back as a HC. I doubt he's matured enough. A guy like Lombardi might help him avoid some of the mistakes he made in Denver, and certainly some of the personnel gaffes. But I would think that he would benefit tremendously from some more time working around BB.
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    I don't think he will go at the end of the season!

    Still think he may be being matured to become BB's successor!
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    McDaniels will get another head coaching opportunity. I'm not sure Cleveland (no disrespect to Cleveland fans) is the place he should be looking at.
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    I think Josh after getting a taste of what HC entails has learned his lesson, particularly given the situation he was able to return to. I think his value perception will only increase over the next couple of seasons. And he's still a tad toxic on the heels of what has transpired in KC. And after the Mangini and RAC fiascos in Cleveland I think Josh would be a tough PR sell in the dawgpound. My sense is he will remain here until he's poised to pick his spot and call the shots. The new ownership group in Cleveland has some heavy hitters already onboard and there will likely be a short leash on whomever they bring in.

    Interesting that the same rumor monger hears Polian might be headed to another sons of BB fiasco in KC. Would be fascinating to see how he fares absent a #1 pick like Manning on the horizen... Scott proved he was not ready for prime time when his efforts seemed limited to trying to recreate something he couldn't. When all the power rests with the GM they have to be as adept at evaluating coaching as talent. The only guys who have made it outside the program are personnel men, Ozzie and Dimetroff, and both had their own vision which Bill may have shaped or influenced to an extent but they were smart enough not to simply try to replicate.
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    Think there is some type of "agreement" between he and Bill that he will stay on for a while..

    Also think he is being "groomed" to be the next HC of the NEP...
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    I think he knows that is back on the table but I think he also knows it's at least half a decade away. And a lot can happen in the interim so I'm sure he will still be interested in opportunities as they arise, just not this soon or in places like Cleveland or Jaxonville.
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    No disrespect but i think Josh at this point in his career is a Coordinator ONLY! Being HC is a different Beast the Big Picture so to speak and I dont think he's cut out for that. Look at Mangini I dont think Josh is more accomplished than him and how did it work out for him? Also Cleveland the sister of the poor???Josh would be a fool to take that job.
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    I agree. I think that you only get a second chance once, and you have to be very careful about what you take. BB realized that a second chance with the Jets was not the way to go, and bolted for the Pats. I think that it's too early for McDaniels to return as a HC, and the Cleveland and Jacksonville jobs are probably not great situations.
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    Agreed. Also, I remember reading that his family is looking for some stability, which makes me believe he's staying in NE for some time. Whether that means he's BB's eventual successor or not remains to be seen, but I don't see him leaving now until TB12 is done.
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    This may sound ignorant but I just don't think Josh can command respect out of players as a HC. A small white guy, never played any relevant football, only 36 years old, and an epic failure as a HC in the past. He needs to get older than the actual players.

    If your a player being yelled at by this guy as your HC, would you take him seriously?
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    It would be in his best interest to consider this post Brady, as his success can easily be defined because of Brady... after the Denver/Tebow debacle he needs to build his resume...
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    I bet a lot of this has to do with BBs friend Lombardi. Lombardi's son also works for the Patriots. If Im Mike Lombardi and Im taking over as GM i want a "BB approved HC" Josh is viewed favorably by BB, and who knows, maybe BB is going to be the HC of the NEP for another 10 years? Perhaps Josh wants to give it another shot.....
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    If I'm a Browns fan I would be screaming no. Not by his own fault the Bellichick era ended as the worst nightmare ever for Brown's fans and since then they've already failed with guys from the BB coaching tree in RAC and Mangina. So let's bring in another one? Bringing Lombardi back is also interesting in itself.
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    Why would anyone want to coach the Browns?

    It's where talent vanishes...the Bermuda triangle of the NFL.
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    Cos there are only 32 head coaching positions in the nfl. You take what you can.
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    It would suck to lose Josh to a HC before that as I was hoping now we'd have some continuity at OC and I've got full faith in Josh there. I'm not sure how he'd fare as BB's successor but I have as much faith in him as any other reasonable candidate, other than someone like Saban but what are the chances of that? Josh is still young and who knows, maybe 5 more years under BB would set us up very nicely for life after BB. If he is suitable he'll be our man for a long time.
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    Yeah I wouldn't be sold at all on the BB coaching tree either. And I think it's way too soon for Josh to get back into a HC spot, especially for such a losing franchise. It'll surely be the end of his opportunities as a HC. I think this would be really bad for all 3 parties involved (Josh, Browns, and we'd be losing a great OC).
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    Wasn't it Josh's idea to draft Tebow in Denver? Maybe he could become the HC of the NYJ. They certainly don't list "good talent evaluation skillls" under the desired characteristics of that job. Josh was way over his head in Denver and there was no sign that John Elway would give a decent recommendation.

    John Fox took roughly the same team to the playoffs last year, and did a very professional job with the transition from Tebow to Manning. Josh has none of those skills at the head coach level.

    If BB were to hang them up, I think Bill O'Brien would be at the top of Bob or Jonathan Kraft's list. He knows the Patriots organization and did an admirable job under the worst of circumstances with Penn State.

    The other guy is Nick Saban, of course. He knows how to win, has worked in a pro coaching environment and won't have much left to prove at the BCS level by the time Belichick calls it a day
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    I still don't understand why Josh didn't try like hell to get Cassell into Denver. Getting rid of Culter makes since because he's a crybaby and a negative leader, but how did Josh think he could get anywhere with Kyle Orton?

    Look at Cassell, his only good seasons were with competent OC's (McDaniels and Charlie Weis). People still want to give Alex Smith time to develop because he never had the same OC twice in his career until this year. But Matt Cassell has been in the exact same position and people want to run him out of KC.
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    I'd hate to lose Josh again - although I would get a free lunch from a Rams fan who thought I was nuts for worrying about it last week. I wonder who would replace him. As we tend to promote from within I can only come up with Chad O'Shea as the unnamed, defacto OC that we often seem to do.
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    I’m glad to have McDaniels back at OC for the Patriots, but realistically isn’t he being judged by how well Brady and Co. do? And for that matter, how well Brady does has a lot to do with the play of the OL – something McDaniels isn’t really responsible for - that's Dante.

    Give McDaniels Brady, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Welker and a good RB or two with a decent OL and he’ll be a great Head Coach.

    Heck - anyone would be.

    Give him a mediocre team and let him bring in more mediocre players (his track record in Denver wasn't exactly impressive), and you’ll have a mediocre to bad team.

    Even his move to bring in Brandon Lloyd hasn’t wow’d anyone – though that was a pretty affordable low risk move in the first place and with 50 catches it's not like Lloyd has been a bust on team with tons of other offensive options - he just hasn't been the deep threat we were hoping for.
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    McDaniels deserves a second chance, but he'd better have learned some lessons about ownership.
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    I think McDaniels would be nuts to jump at the first job offered to him again. Give it time--the Pats are going to be strong for the foreseeable future, so it's not like he'll lose his luster to other teams. Wait for the right situation! If he goes to Cleveland, Jax, etc., do you really think he'll be successful for years and years? No way. Stay put, Josh.
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    Why, so he can fail and 2nd time and destroy any future as a HC?
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    i think josh will wait it out some more years b4 he decides to give it another shot

    but in cleveland with an up and coming team, and a rookie QB, and say Vince does go there? it would be a very good opportunity
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    Is Cassel really any better than Kyle Orton at this point?
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    Kyle Orton was never successful (that I can remember anyway). Cassel, with a competent OC, guided the Pats to 11-5 and won the Chiefs the AFC West at 10-6 with a 27/7 TD-INT ratio. He can play in the right offense.

    If Brady were to retire and Mallet wasn't ready, I would gladly take Matt Cassel as our QB again.
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