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[Deus Irae]

Stats are for losers.

Stats are for winners, too. Let's allow this stupid saying to die the death it should have died a long time ago.

Patriots D gave up 19 points in SB 46(Actually I would argue only 12 because of Bonehead Brady Safety which also resulted in D going right back out after they stopped Giants on 6 minute+ drive. Giants had the ball for 12 of 15 mins in 1st Quarter). They held Giants on 2 other Drives to FG, else the game would've been a blowout the way Pats offense was once again a no show

Patriots D gave up 17 points in SB 42

The Mighty Patriots offense scored combined 31 points in those SB's. Avg of 16.5

Only 4 SB's have ever been won with winning team scoring 16 points or less. Last one was 1975. Defense did its job in both games for 60 MINUTES AS BB says...two great catches(Tyree, Manningham) are what they are, great plays.

You're trying to distract from the reality. Yes, the offenses could, and should have scored more. That doesn't exonerate the defenses. These losses have been team losses. The offenses failed to score, but the defenses failed when they needed just one more stop. It's fine to decide that you think side (a) was 53% to blame and/or side (b) was only 13% to blame, but the Patriots losses in 2006 (AFCCG), 2007 and 2011 were lost on both sides of the ball (I'm not debating justifications here, just the raw data).

On the other hand the vaunted PAtriots "REGULAR SEASON STATS PADDED" offense, offensive coaches have laid a FAT ASS EGG both SB's, mentally, and game execution, and game planning.

They scored 14 and 17 and lost both SB's, deservedly so.

In '07, they lost largely because of injuries on the offensive side of the ball. It's stupid to ignore that.

This is why more WR depth is needed - to have a balanced team

WRs are needed, but it's not because of the need to have a more balanced team. It's because of the need to have an offense that can threaten the entire field even against the league's better defensive teams and because of the need to start replacing the current WR corps, which is mostly either aging (Welker, Branch, Johnson) or incompetent (Underwood, Slater).

You keep spewing out same garbage that D could not stop the last drive. Give it a rest - you make no sense

The "D" didn't stop the last drive. That's factual, so I don't see how you can claim it makes no sense.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Stats are for winners, too. Let's allow this stupid saying to die the death it should have died a long time ago.

Bill Belichick: Stats are for losers - YouTube
Bill Belichick explains which stats he likes | ProFootballTalk

So, you are basically saying BB is stupid, and you should be the HC of the Patriots



You're trying to distract from the reality. Yes, the offenses could, and should have scored more. That doesn't exonerate the defenses. These losses have been team losses. The offenses failed to score, but the defenses failed when they needed just one more stop. It's fine to decide that you think side (a) was 53% to blame and/or side (b) was only 13% to blame, but the Patriots losses in 2006 (AFCCG), 2007 and 2011 were lost on both sides of the ball (I'm not debating justifications here, just the raw data).

Both SB's Pats were favorites.
Offense
2007 Pats - the scoring machine, 589 (36.8 per game)
2011 Pats - 513(32.1 per game)

Scored 22 pts ad 18 points less in SB than reg season avg. That's FAIL.

Defense
2007 Pats - 17.1 per game (exactly what they allowed in SB42)
2011 Pats - 21.4 per game (allowed 19 in SB46....Safety on offense)

So, by your assertions Stats are for winners too, Defense in SB42 and SB46 did exactly what they did in regular season as for points allowed.

OFFENSE LAID AN EGG


In '07, they lost largely because of injuries on the offensive side of the ball. It's stupid to ignore that.

Excuse. ONE injury. Packers won SB against Steelers with many injuries happening in the SB, and that is after many of their key starters were already IR'd in the season

WRs are needed, but it's not because of the need to have a more balanced team. It's because of the need to have an offense that can threaten the entire field even against the league's better defensive teams and because of the need to start replacing the current WR corps, which is mostly either aging (Welker, Branch, Johnson) or incompetent (Underwood, Slater).

Coaching and Drafting and GM...Could have traded for Lloyd in regular season. BB has plenty of opportunities to build a Offense core to support Brady, but mostly failures. Other teams have no respect for the deep ball from Pats, exhibit Slater vs Ravens in AFCCG . Only superhuman effort by Brady saves the day. When he is not on the team is a complete disaster since there are no playmakers on Offense, until this year by Gronk.

The "D" didn't stop the last drive. That's factual, so I don't see how you can claim it makes no sense.

Should not have come to this...

Hernandez Drop !
Branch Drop !
Welker Drop !
Brady dumb throw it up for grab INT to gimping Gronk
Brady dumb Safety...2 possesion change and forced D to play 12 mins in the quarter. Come 4Quarter of course the Defense is gassed.

Offense gagged when it was time to put the game away.

Defense created turnovers, just luck the ball did not bounce their way with 3 fumbles(1 negated on penalty).

 

[Deus Irae]

So, you are basically saying BB is stupid, and you should be the HC of the Patriots

No, I'm saying that the quote's been abused by people such as yourself. It was a dismissive quote, nothing more. The Patriots use stats perhaps more than any team in football.

"Stats are for losers".... "Well, we lost, but we out rushed them".

"Stats are for winners".... "We lost that game because we couldn't get off the field on 3rd down, allowing them to go 11 for 12. We need to look at our nickel and dime packages...".

I hope you can figure out the difference. Given your posts in the past month, I doubt you will. You seem to have decided that you'll be the next Maverick, only you're do so less intelligently because your posts are mostly nonsense, and full of errors.

 

[Deus Irae]

Defense created turnovers, just luck the ball did not bounce their way with 3 fumbles(1 negated on penalty).

This is a perfect example of the lack on intelligence in your posting that I was talking about. "The defense created turnovers...", except that the defense didn't create a single turnover.

 

[Ring 6]

Stats are for losers.

What does that even mean and why would you use it here?

Patriots D gave up 19 points in SB 46(Actually I would argue only 12 because of Bonehead Brady Safety which also resulted in D going right back out after they stopped Giants on 6 minute+ drive. Giants had the ball for 12 of 15 mins in 1st Quarter). They held Giants on 2 other Drives to FG, else the game would've been a blowout the way Pats offense was once again a no show

Patriots D gave up 17 points in SB 42

The Mighty Patriots offense scored combined 31 points in those SB's. Avg of 16.5

Only 4 SB's have ever been won with winning team scoring 16 points or less. Last one was 1975. Defense did its job in both games for 60 MINUTES AS BB says...two great catches(Tyree, Manningham) are what they are, great plays.

And there would be 2 Patriot teams that won with 17 and 14 if the defense didn't allow a TD drive on the last drive of the game.

On the other hand the vaunted PAtriots "REGULAR SEASON STATS PADDED" offense, offensive coaches have laid a FAT ASS EGG both SB's, mentally, and game execution, and game planning.

I thought stats were for losers?

They scored 14 and 17 and lost both SB's, deservedly so.

IN SB 42 it was because they forced everything and it was Wlker and Moss only show.

In SB46 the offense again got exposed. Piled up nice stats during season but poor depth at WR position completely exposed the team once Giants knew Gronk was a decoy.

This is why more WR depth is needed - to have a balanced team

And still we win both SBs if the defense can stop an 80+ yard drive.
Does that matter in your mind?

You keep spewing out same garbage that D could not stop the last drive. Give it a rest - you make no sense

How is that garbage that makes no sense? Did they stop the drive on your TV?
Hey maybe we won and I just don't know it

 

[Ring 6]

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You have clearly checked out of the discussion by childishly reverted to a posting method that does not readily allow quoting your comments, so I will assume you have given up.
Maybe you can find someone else to speak to becuase i am no longer interested at all in what you have to say, or the methods you use to say it.
Good luck to you.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Back on the rails guys...

We need to take pressure off of the two guys who make our team tick: Brady and Wilfork. Get someone on defense who can take some of the attention away from Vince. Get someone who can keep the other team's defense honest and take some of the pressure off Brady to be legendary every snap. Of course, if Josh runs the offense like he did in 2008, the running game could carry us more, and that would do wonders.

I don't see Red Bryant leaving Seattle, it would be idiotic for the Sea Chickens to let him go, and I don't think Mario Williams is worth the money he'll command (even if it's not going to get into the Peppers layer of the atmosphere).

There are too many good options at receiver for us to screw that one up, but we've been muffing the chances on defense for years (was really optimistic with Cunningham:bricks: ). Back to Tebowing to any deity that might throw a gem our way.

 

[DaBruinz]

At $22 million, I doubt it.

Tag for Williams is only 18.5 (120% of his 2011 cap number).

But still unlikely to be tagged since they are will be at or over the cap once the new league year starts.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Should not have come to this...

Hernandez Drop !
Branch Drop !
Welker Drop !
Brady dumb throw it up for grab INT to gimping Gronk
Brady dumb Safety...2 possesion change and forced D to play 12 mins in the quarter. Come 4Quarter of course the Defense is gassed.

Offense gagged when it was time to put the game away.

Defense created turnovers, just luck the ball did not bounce their way with 3 fumbles(1 negated on penalty).

you posted the wrong way man, you have clearly given up by not following the posting method that everybody else does.

 

[Ring 6]

you posted the wrong way man, you have clearly given up by not following the posting method that everybody else does.

 

[DaBruinz]

neither Carter nor Anderson are 34 system fit. There's a reason they came here and Pats played mostly 43. Playing them in a 34D is trying to fit a round ball into a square peg.

Anderson actually played pretty well when he lined up at OLB in the 3-4. Carter doesn't care for the 3-4, though he did line up as an undersized DE in it a few times.

The Pats actually played more 3-4 this year than they did 4-3. And they played quite a bit of Nickel (2-4-5). Yes, they started off the season in the 4-3, but the 4-3 was almost nen-existant by the end of the year until the SB.

If 34 is employed say Hello to 'ol friend Jermaine Cunningham

First and foremost BB needs to decide the identity of this D, is it a 43 or 34. In a 34 you better have GREAT OLB who can set the edge as well rush. In 43 you better have lighter speedier DE's a la Giants or 49ers

The 49ers play a hybrid system, but mainly it's 3-4 1-Gap system. Not a 4-3.

Problem for Pats is they have neither type under contract - since Anderson and Carter are both FA, and Cunningham did nothing. Furthermore, Carter will be 33 and coming off a major injury, which does not bode well for a DE that relies on his speed/quickness in a 43.

Cunningham was in on goal line situations and also ended up being IRed due to injury.

Free Agency and Draft will tell us a lot which D scheme this team is headed towards. The DB's CAN'T play press, and pathetic S play exacerbated the problems in Man coverage. Secondary's identity is play zone, and with McCourty and Ras-I, Arrington and Sterling Moore, skillsets best fit that. Issue is can they bring decent FREE SAFETY. THAT IS THE KILLER. AS the NFL is going more to PASS, PASS, PASS 3down league, it would be a shocker teams adopt 2 FS type athletes who can play coverage. The SS is a dying breed due to less focus on run, furthermore SS becomes a liability in coverage.

Personally, we will revert back to 34. That's Wilfork's strength as well our personnel fits 34. Need better OLB's and secondary will be much improved.

This is the year FINALLY we could see push to get the ELEPHANT DE/OLB via FA and DRAFT, while everyone will yell and scream for DB's or WR ! Get ready for the annual BB curveballs !

The Pats played the 4-3 to start the season, but by mid-season, the 3-4 was the predominant set. In fact, many times they had Anderson out in the 3-4 as an OLB and he'd put his hand down on the ground. But the D-line was lined up over the O-line vs. in the gaps.

 

[DaBruinz]

This is a bunch of crap.
From 2007 thru 2011 the Patriots are 1st in points scored. 2nd in passing yards. First in passing TDs. 2nd in completion %. Have the least Ints. Have the most wins BY 9.
Brady didn't stop throwing to the open receiver, he finally got receivers who get open often.
They have found enough receivers to learn the system to be the best passing offense in the NFL.
You are frankly out of your mind if you see the passing offense as a problem and think the system that has been the best in the NFL and the QB that has been the best in the NFL is the problem because the end of the bench WRs couldnt fit into it.

Guess you need to go back and re-watch the SB, Andy. The Pats lost because the offense couldn't score. They lost because the normally surehanded receivers in Branch and Welker dropped passes they should have caught.

 

[DaBruinz]

Offsense:

Meachem/Colston + Lloyd.


Defense:

Brooks + Samuel (if he wants back)

Samuel is still under contract, to my knowledge.

Ahmad Brooks won't add anything to this defense. They need OLBs, not ILBs.

 

[DaBruinz]

I guess we have a different definition of talent.
And our secondary had many more plays with Arrington, Brown, Ihedigbo, Barrett, Adams, Moulden, Edelman than with Dowling or Moore.

I also have no idea what talent you saw in Moore, other than enough to be borderline NFL caliber.

Clearly, most people but yourself saw plenty of talent in Sterling Moore. He showed plenty of situational awareness. He got his head around to make sure he could see the ball when he was covering guys. He had several key Passes defensed. And defensed extremely well.

But, yeah, you're right, Andy.. Moor has only "borderline NFL talent".

 

[DaBruinz]

The implication that Edelman is a viable cornerback in the NFL is laughable.

Why? He has the athleticism to do so. He just hasn't had the training. He also has experience from being a QB.

Troy Brown became a viable Nickel back. Why can't Edelman? Cause you say so?

 

[Ring 6]

Guess you need to go back and re-watch the SB, Andy. The Pats lost because the offense couldn't score. They lost because the normally surehanded receivers in Branch and Welker dropped passes they should have caught.

They lost because they couldn't stop, or even be competitive on, an 88 yard TD drive with the game on the line.

There are many reasons they lost, but this was the one that was decisive.

 

[Ring 6]

Clearly, most people but yourself saw plenty of talent in Sterling Moore.

Including BB and the defensive coaches who decided to cut him?

He showed plenty of situational awareness.

Is that code for you wish he was good but can't figure out how?

He got his head around to make sure he could see the ball when he was covering guys. He had several key Passes defensed. And defensed extremely well.

He allowed an awful lot of completions for the limited time he was on the field.

But, yeah, you're right, Andy.. Moor has only "borderline NFL talent".

How can you dispute that a guy who was out of work until October 5, when he was added to the practice squad, activated 11/13, released 12/4, added to the practice squad 12/14 and activated 12/23 is a borderline NFL player?
He spent most of the season out of work or on the practice squad and was cut in December.
How else would you describe him? A superstar that would start on many teams? You are letting your emotions control you because he knocked the pass out of Evans hands after being burned.
Moore is as likely to be cut and put on a practice squad next year as he is to make a team, or do you think teams look at our pass defense and cant wait to grab our corners