Pats at Lions pre-game thread

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  1. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    With the win against the Colts just barely 24 hours old it seems way too early to start this thread.
    But reality is kickoff is at Detroit is just 2½ days away.

    Pats are listed as a 6½ to 7 point favorite.

    As a franchise the Pats lead the series 5-4; Pats are 2-1 against Detroit under Belichick, and 2-0 with Brady at QB. Pats won 28-21 in '06 at home, won 20-12 in '02 away, and lost 34-9 at Detroit in 2000.
    Boxscore finder: New England Patriots vs Detroit Lions -

    While most of the folks on this board seem to be giving the Lions a lot of credit for improving this year, the mood is not quite so upbeat in Detroit after losing to the Cowboys:

    How can we really say the Lions have progressed? | | Detroit Free Press
  2. IcyPatriot

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    Sheesh I have not had time to scout and form any opinions yet ... still savoring yesterday.

    Why the Lions every year ... this tradition needs to be changed.
  3. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    Here's a short column looking at the Pats from Detroit's perspective.
    I had forgotten their coach had once worked with Belichick.

    Scouting the Lions' next opponent: The Patriots | | Detroit Free Press
    Kind of an ugly mood there judging from the comment section, but I guess that's to be expected when your team is 2-8 and you haven't been to the playoffs in eleven years. Anyways, found this one comment there that may be a big reason for their lack of success:

    The Pats are not the only team with a running back sidelined by turf toe:
    Lions RB Jahvid Best's injured toes still not better | | Detroit Free Press
    With Best out the Lions went with Maurice Morris at RB; Kevin Smith was placed on IR Saturday.

    Then there was this:
    How about letting the refs know? In that situation you notify them and then neither team gets use of the mic-to-helmet communication.

    Schwartz had what I thought was an odd choice of words to describe the short week, given the fact the Lions often draft early:
  4. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    Yeah, I'm with you. Just thought it might be a nice change of pace from another "Pats defense sucks" thread.

    Good question. Maybe the networks figure they have a captive audience and are going to get good ratings regardless of who is playing on Thanksgiving - which saves at least one better team for a Sunday game.

    Some more commentary from Detroit on whether or not the Lions should continue to play on Thanksgiving - as well as some more opinion on Jahvid Best, and all the Lions' penalties:
    Three Lions questions with Drew Sharp | | Detroit Free Press
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    Pros to a Thursday game: Only gotta wait 2 more days to watch my patsies.

    Cons: I'm going to be ripping my hair out during an 11 day wait for the showdown w/ the Jest

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    And oh yes, I'm totally clueless when it comes to the Lions. All I know is they played the Jets real tough a couple weeks ago and are alot better this year. And supposedly tough to beat at home.
  7. SuperPatsFan

    SuperPatsFan Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Just another example of why a deep rotation at the RB position is better than a "feature back" strategy.
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  8. jmt57

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    Some more on Best: Ailing Lions RB Jahvid Best can't put best feet forward | | The Detroit News

    On the other hand, I hope Dan Koppen gets some extra help Thursday.
    I really don't want to see this good a performance against the Pats:

    I'm guessing there will be some comparisons between Rob Gronkowski and Brandon Pettigrew leading up to or during the game. Pettigrew had 8 catches for 75 yards Sunday against the Cowboys, and now has 50 receptions for 487 yards and 3 touchdowns this year.
  9. SuperPatsFan

    SuperPatsFan Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Suh is a beast, no doubt. Look for Gronk and/or Crumpler to motion behind RG as an extra pass or run blocker.
  10. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    Lions Monday Playback: Patriots are perfect holiday guest
    The column above also has an interesting look at the discrepancy between the way the league schedules games leading up to the Thanksgiving game for the Lions and Cowboys, as well as discrepancies on fines for late hits.

    Patriots, Lions square off again - Fall River, MA - The Herald News

    Not much time to get ready for the Lions | New England Patriots | | The Providence Journal
    MacPherson notes that the Lions coaching staff includes a couple of former Pats: Shawn Jefferson and Sam Gash.

  11. Urgent

    Urgent In the Starting Line-Up

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    Just looked at the stats. Interesting.
    For a 2-8 team:
    - They have more yardage than their opponents
    - They have held the ball over 30 minutes a game
    - They have a positive turnover differential
    - They have scored just 3 points fewer than their opponents

    Calvin Johnson is having another great year, with 10 TD's so far.
    Rookie DT Suh has 7 sacks already.

    Their running game is killing them, especially since Best has been hindered with toe injuries. Best, their leading rusher, has 382 yards. Losing Stafford was a blow.
  12. jmt57

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    Remember when people were calling for the Pats to cut BJGE in training camp so they could use the extra roster spot on another position? Scary to think where the Pats would be right now if they had done that and another team picked him up.

    Great idea, I hadn't thought of that.
  13. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    If Best can't go then their leading rusher that is playing Thursday will be their backup QB, Shaun Hill - with all of 79 yards rushing this year.
    Detroit Lions Stats at

    As for the QB position, this will be the 4th straight year with a different primary QB for the Lions, and 5th in six years:
    2010: Shaun Hill
    2009: Matt Stafford
    2008: Dan Orlovsky
    2007: Jon Kitna
    2006: Jon Kitna
    2005: Joey Harrington

    But check this out: the four years Harrington started were actually the golden years in terms of consistency at QB for the Lions for most Detroit fans. The last time before Harrington that the Lions had the same (primary) starting quarterback for at least four consecutive years was before most NFL fans were born, when Bobby Layne was their QB from 1950 to 1957.

    Detroit Lions Team Encyclopedia -
  14. mosi

    mosi 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    This game worries me simply because the Pats will have absolutely no practice time for this game. And we all know how important practice is for this team.

    Also, the Lions always get up for this game. It is their superbowl.
  15. patchick

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    To be fair, the Patriots DID dump an RB to use the extra roster spot on another position! So the basic concept that RB was overstuffed at 5 was solid; it was up to the coaching staff to say who was most expendable.

    In other news, perhaps the description of how playing Best despite his foot injuries has made the injuries worse can cool down some of the folks who seem to think that Taylor not playing reflects poorly on his character and manhood? :rolleyes:

    And on a final, personal note: I spend Thanksgiving with relatives who don't have a tv.
  16. HomerSchooled

    HomerSchooled Practice Squad Player

    I don't know if that's true. Past few years, the Lions have played some of their worst games of the season on Thanksgiving. They haven't won or even kept it within ten points since 2003.

    I'm worried too, though. This feels just like the week before Cleveland.
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  18. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    The Lions offense certainly does seem rather one dimensional. I'm somewhat surprised that they rank as high as they do on offense (15th in points, 23.4; 19th in yards, 336) considering how bad they are running the ball (80.5 yards per game and 3.5 yards per carry, both 31st.)

    I'm not sure if it is because they have no running game, because they are usually behind or both, but check this out: the Lions have run the ball 233 times and have dropped back to pass an NFL-high 456 times; that's virtually a 2:1 pass-run ratio, highest in the league.
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2010
  19. PatriotsInGA

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    The key will be the first half. Both teams are still tired from Sunday, and whoever can control the momentum in the firs half will have the best chance of winning the game. If the Pats come out with the energy they had against the Colts in the first half, then the game should be in their favor.

    On the other hand, if the Lions come out firing on all cylinders in the first half, we could be in for a dogfight for the whole game.
  20. Steve:Section 102

    Steve:Section 102 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Lack of running game will hurt Detroit. Belechick will dare the Lions to beat them vertically.
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