OT: New York Approves Location of New Bills Stadium

[upstater1]

The areas you are mentioning (which you don’t seem to know much about because to the west of Perry is the casino and arena) are literally in the photo I supplied to you. The stadium and parking STILL DOESNT FIT.

There is a reason why even the diehard downtown stadium people acknowledge that the Bills would have to shove a stadium into one spot, and then break up parking in random directions all over.

I don’t mean any offense by this, but it’s clear that you don’t know the area very well.

All you do is backtrack. First you said I wrote it could fit in the Perry Projects and now you're backtracking. Anyone who knows Buffalo knows the Casino is not next to the Perry projects. It's absurd. And even in your photo it shows Conway park extending well beyond the current stadium footprint.

 

[upstater1]

True, but they spend a helluva lot more than $50 million on full team’s players, which is roughly what your average salary comes out to for a whole team.

IIRC, teams must spend at least 90% of the total salary cap over a 4 year period. Given the way things currently project, that means the floor for the next 4 years will be well over $200 million per team per year.

So I stand by my calculation that the true average for players in the NFL is in the $3 million to $4 million range, especially if we isolate the 53 men per team who start the season on a roster, and don’t let the average be brought down by the 1 game “fill ins” we see late in the season.

Obviously I agreed with you above--but the true salary right now is in the $2s. I'm sure it will rise. But whatever happens, the NY tax brackets start up to 1m, then up to 3m, so half that money isn't even getting taxed at 10%.

 

[upstater1]

Yes it is.
The top 30 players make approx 126 mill and all are over 1 mill.
That is 96 mill ( the majority) that is over the 1 mill bracket.

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You appeal to authority is embarrassing. I have already pointed out the issues with the article and the so called studies and I am showing with actual facts why it is wrong.

Do you really not understand how tax brackets work? Just because you make 4m, doesn't mean all your earnings at taxed at your bracket's %. There are step ups. Only your last million is taxed at 10%.

I can't believe I have to teach you about taxes.

 

[upstater1]

In fact I have. Have you?
Your argument is Buffalo is the only stadium that people don’t buy food, gear or pay for parking. BS and you know it.

No you haven't

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Renderings of the new stadium.

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OMG the artist's renderings even have cloudy overcast weather. Holy f**** how crappy IS that place.

 

[Ring 6]

Say it right in the article. And it's my experience as well when I lived in Michigan.

You were not an athlete. You were not subject to the rules applied to athletes. Jesus.

 

[Ring 6]

No you haven't

So your argument is now reduced to when I tell you I’ve been to games in Buffalo, something you have no knowledge of, all you can do is call me a liar because your argument t sucks. Very telling.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you really not understand how tax brackets work? Just because you make 4m, doesn't mean all your earnings at taxed at your bracket's %. There are step ups. Only your last million is taxed at 10%.

I can't believe I have to teach you about taxes.

Clearly I need to teach you.
The cut off is 1 million. I added up the players that make more than 1 million. There were 30. For each of them the amount over 1 million is in the higher tax bracket.
They made 125 mill. That is 95 mill over the 1 mill cut off.
That means 95 of the 179 (ie the MAJORITY) was in the higher tax bracket.
I should t gave to explain things multiple times to you. Try to calm down and read slower.

 

[captain stone]

So, you've never been to Foxboro. I mean, everyone in the league knows that Buffalo is one of the most degraded experiences in the entire NFL. I like the place, but there are people peeing everywhere inside the stadium (not talking about bathrooms), drunks, fights, etc. For heaven's sake, you have a separate family section. The place is full of degenerates.

Reads like Schaefer Stadium during the 1970s-80s… and except for the losing (though I also saw many wins too), I loved every minute of it. My only regret is that I did not attend more games there.

 

[Ivan]

You're right that downtown Buffalo is starting to buzz again, but you ignored the part where the entire culture of the Bills fanbase changes if the stadium is moved downtown.

80k people tailgate around the stadium each Sunday in Orchard Park.

This couldn't happen downtown.

PS, Ashley i'm very sorry for typing my opinion. I'll try to keep that to a minimum. I know me talking is a no-no.

If you have a problem with posting here you can always go somewhere else. Your excuses made up for the lack of a Ravens game this year, but you still won’t be missed. You can always cry into your pillow.

 

[GreenCow]

there are people peeing everywhere inside the stadium (not talking about bathrooms), drunks, fights, etc. For heaven's sake, you have a separate family section. The place is full of degenerates.

This is the first accurate thing you’ve said about the stadium.

 

[GreenCow]

Anyone who knows Buffalo knows the Casino is not next to the Perry projects. It's absurd.

Lol what?? They’re literally RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. Hahahaha.

And even in your photo it shows Conway park extending well beyond the current stadium footprint.

No. It only fits when the sides of the stadium take out half the first ward lol.

 

[NormZauchin]

Right, yet I don't think it'd be happening if BUF's team stunk and had no hope to get better, like it did in let's say the Rex Ryan era. The downstaters could just say it makes no sense to invest in the stadium if the team sucks and is going nowhere. At least now they can say there's a good chance the team will be relevant when the stadium opens.

Like it or not, a good sports team makes a huge difference in public perception and willingness to invest. My alma mater and state university, UConn, was underfunded for decades till the basketball team started winning national championships. All of a sudden all kinds of new buildings went up on campus and even relatively minor things like parking and cosmetic things like decent sidewalks took a big step forward.

As the old saying goes, victory has many fathers, defeat has none.

I wonder if the improvements would have happened if profs at UConn had won 5 or 6 Nobel prizes.

 

[‘Mondre]

Reminds me of Seattle a bit. Meh. They’ll come up with something better

 

[Bill Lee]

Renderings of the new stadium.

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Buffalo can't have nice things.

Fans will still urinate and fornicate in every corner.

Again, I still have questions, like I had about Buffalo which you so kindly answered, about who exactly OWNS these stadiums where 50% or more were paid for with taxpayer money. I THINK that Jerry Jones owns the palace that that Cowboys play at even though the public paid for close to 40% of the tab. Worse yet, Jones collects ALL of the revenue the stadium produces as well. That my friend is a rip off of massive proportions, even though they only stole 40% of the cost. It still blows my mind that that THIS underachieving oaf got into the HOF BEFORE Bob Kraft, despite directing his team to JUST 3 playoff games in the last 25 years. THAT is how long its been since the Cowboys have been relevant to the championship picture in the NFL, and yet THEIR team is the most valuable (Forbes) on in the league. Send Jerry Jones to the the self promotion PR HOF for sure, but does a good 5 year stretch in the 90's qualify you for the HOF?

Seems Jerry's "party bus" has made him really popular with the other owners. Outside of that, it's hard to explain his popularity. For a recent example, he more or less convinced the rest of the owners to take Kronke's LA proposal above the Davis/Spanos proposal that their committee had recommended. His act just cost the NFL almost a billion dollars to settle the resulting court case filed because they ignored their own rules about relocating teams.

BTW- if you actually NEEDED any more reason to hate the Colts, their in-bred fans, and their addicted skank of an owner, the fact they stole 86% of the cost of their stadium should be indictable. It was such a bad deal for indianapolis and Indiana that up until recently the taxpayers were still paying for the previous stadium, To be swindled TWICE by Jim Irsay has to be a new low, and something every Indianan with an IQ over 85 should be ASHAMED of.

After the move to Indy, the Colts are dead to me. Indy deserves to be swindled. They deserve their pill popping, guitar hoarding a--hole rich guy's son owner.

I wonder if the improvements would have happened if profs at UConn had won 5 or 6 Nobel prizes.

We both know the answer to that.

 

[upstater1]

You were not an athlete. You were not subject to the rules applied to athletes. Jesus.

Wait a second. You believe there is a special class of tax code for athletes? They are called athletes taxes nominally because they were designed to target athletes. But obviously the tax code doesn't apply to just athletes. This is why they count duty days. If it were only a matter of taxing athletes, they would be done with it and just charge them. Instead, they have to give the appearance of equality across professions by carging "duty days."

I think you're confused here between resident and non-resident taxes. A Buffalo Bill could be a non-resident of new York, but NY will charge him based on duty days. A Buffalo Bill could also be charged for a game agains the Rams, but he would be given a credit for that payment to California on his NY state tax.

 

[upstater1]

Lol what?? They’re literally RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. Hahahaha.

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No. It only fits when the sides of the stadium take out half the first ward lol.

Those are the Fulton Apartments and they actually have people living there. They are public housing and they were obviously built post-war. The Perry Projects are nearing 90 years old now and they are a few blocks down the road, and only a few people live there. Most of the complex is empty. The Fultons are part of the discussion about where to move the residents if the move is made. I would also point out though that there's an entire industrial area south and east of the Seneca Casino.

You're constantly moving the discussion all over the map. First you wrote I said the stadium could fit on the Perry Street footprint and now you're trying to shoehorn areas that are not part of the Perry Projects into the Perry Projects to prove something I never even said.

Here, this is the reason why people push for Bills to build in the area where the Sabres and Inner Harbor and Casino already exist: A short walk from downtown: Buffalo’s ‘forgotten neighborhood’

 

[upstater1]

Lol what?? They’re literally RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. Hahahaha.

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No. It only fits when the sides of the stadium take out half the first ward lol.

By the way, don't know if you've noticed this but, yesterday the state was actually forced to give up the study done on a downtown stadium after months of refusing to reveal the study to the public.

This isn't the Bills self-serving study which obviously is meant to line Pegula's billionaire pockets (and which the original article on this thread quotes from) but a study done by the state to detail actual costs and benefits.

The state lost its lawsuit to journalists and over the coming days we will finally see the breakdown that they've tried to keep hidden for so long.

 

[upstater1]

Clearly I need to teach you.
The cut off is 1 million. I added up the players that make more than 1 million. There were 30. For each of them the amount over 1 million is in the higher tax bracket.
They made 125 mill. That is 95 mill over the 1 mill cut off.
That means 95 of the 179 (ie the MAJORITY) was in the higher tax bracket.
I should t gave to explain things multiple times to you. Try to calm down and read slower.

You still don't get it, do you? There is not just two tax brackets. There are multiple brackets. Up to $1m. $1m to #3m. $3m +. The average NFL salary is $2.75m. When you get taxed, your first million is taxed at the lowest bracket. Your next $2 million at the 2nd bracket. Etc. This is why you can't take the entire salary cap and multiply it times 10.5% to arrive a figure that represents the state's annual income tax take.

 

[upstater1]

So your argument is now reduced to when I tell you I’ve been to games in Buffalo, something you have no knowledge of, all you can do is call me a liar because your argument t sucks. Very telling.

It's obvious. Even Green Cow agreed with me that it's a bunch of degenerates who can't even find a bathroom never mind shell out $200 they don't have for a game.