OT:Deflategate Karma? Neil deGrasse Tyson's 'StarTalk' Shelved at Nat Geo Amid Misconduct Allegation

[TB_Helmet]

This is from @1960Pats back in July. A list of everyone who did us wrong during DeflateGate. Say them to yourself before you go to sleep each night like Arya Stark.

Troy Aikman
Skip Bayless
Jerome Bettis
Kevin Blackstone
Ron Borges
Bert Breer
Mark Brunell
Chris Carter
Ryan Clark
Chris Collinsworth
Colin Cowherd
Brian Dawkins
Neil DeGrasse-Tyson
Gregg Doyel
Rich Eisen
Marshall Faulk
Mike Felger
Mike Florio
Bob George
Bob Glauber
Jay Glazer
Mike Golic
Roger Goodell
Mike Greenberg
Ryan Grigson
Charles Haley
Tim Hasslebeck
Bart Hubbuch
Jim Irsay
Tom Jackson
Ted Johnson
Bomani Jones
Dan Kannell
Max Kellerman
Naqi Kelly
Peter King
Bob Kravitz
Matt Lauer
Ronnie Lott
Jackie MacMullen
George Martin
Tony Mazzerotti
Donovan McNabb
Al Michaels
Kurt Minihane
Joe Montana
Chris Mortensen
Bill Nye
Ian O'Connor
Rosie O'Donnell
Jason Page
Woody Paige
Bill Plaschke
Bill Polian
Jerry Rice
Al Roker
Bob Ryan
Shannon Sharpe
Don Shula
Chris Simms
Phil Simms
Stephen A Smith
Gary Tanguay
John Tomase
Mike Tomlin
Brian Urlacher
Ben Volin
Hines Ward
Kurt Warner
Mike Whilbon
Seth Wickersham
Nick Wright

 

[Koma]

I hope that we find out who Mort's source was, some day.

I think it was either Jim Irsay or Ryan Grigson, with my money on Irsay, since it was so wrong and so anti-Patriots. Plus it makes sense that Mort's source would have also been Kravitz's source, and Indy-based Kravitz would have been far too lazy to have anyone other that a member of the Colts organization feeding him the info.

The NFL could have corrected the false statements. But a writer who won't correct his own false statements is as low as you can get.

I'm pretty sure that Mort's source was someone (or some people) in NFL headquarters. One of the tidbits that was included in the "12: Tom Brady's Fight for Redemption" book that came out last year was that Kravitz' source for his story the night of the 2014 AFCCG was also from the league office.

This doesn't absolve Irsay or Grigson. They definitely played a role in the story, but the direction and the media leaks seem to have all come from the Goodell's minions, like Mike Kensil.

 

[Tony2046]

This is from @1960Pats back in July. A list of everyone who did us wrong during DeflateGate. Say them to yourself before you go to sleep each night like Arya Stark.

Troy Aikman
Skip Bayless
Jerome Bettis
Kevin Blackstone
Ron Borges
Bert Breer
Mark Brunell
Chris Carter
Ryan Clark
Chris Collinsworth
Colin Cowherd
Brian Dawkins
Neil DeGrasse-Tyson
Gregg Doyel
Rich Eisen
Marshall Faulk
Mike Felger
Mike Florio
Bob George
Bob Glauber
Jay Glazer
Mike Golic
Roger Goodell
Mike Greenberg
Ryan Grigson
Charles Haley
Tim Hasslebeck
Bart Hubbuch
Jim Irsay
Tom Jackson
Ted Johnson
Bomani Jones
Dan Kannell
Max Kellerman
Naqi Kelly
Peter King
Bob Kravitz
Matt Lauer
Ronnie Lott
Jackie MacMullen
George Martin
Tony Mazzerotti
Donovan McNabb
Al Michaels
Kurt Minihane
Joe Montana
Chris Mortensen
Bill Nye
Ian O'Connor
Rosie O'Donnell
Jason Page
Woody Paige
Bill Plaschke
Bill Polian
Jerry Rice
Al Roker
Bob Ryan
Shannon Sharpe
Don Shula
Chris Simms
Phil Simms
Stephen A Smith
Gary Tanguay
John Tomase
Mike Tomlin
Brian Urlacher
Ben Volin
Hines Ward
Kurt Warner
Mike Whilbon
Seth Wickersham
Nick Wright

How is Rich Eisen on that list?

 

[maineman209]

I agree with you to a point. Of course people with science degrees can get rusty about using or teaching what they learned. I'm a physics professor myself, but does that mean that I have can immediately recall and teach everything I have ever learned at the drop of a hat? Of course not. If I am assigned to teach a class that I haven't taught recently, especially if it is an advanced class, it requires much study, re-familiarizing and "boning up" on the subject. Anyone that doesn't do that type of preparation is a pretty lousy teacher.

That said, not knowing how to correctly use something as simple as the Ideal Gas Law (IDL) is pretty pathetic for a scientist, especially a famous science educator. And, if for some reason one hasn't used the IDL law for several years, it is simply stunning to tweet out a wrong answer without spending 10 minutes re-familiarizing oneself on the subject.

IIRC, Tyson's tweet was mostly an impulsive response to something tweeted by someone else (Mortenson, maybe).

 

[Koma]

Mort is still the worst in all of this. If he had said the truth, that there was a psi drop a little over 1 psi, it would have matched the IGL calculations and even NdGT's correction of his previous statement would have helped people realize that there was no evidence that anyone took any air out of any football that night. Mort & the NFL rode that lie for at least 2 months, by which time there was no way for facts to sway public opinion.

It's not sympathy, but I can understand Mortensen's position in the story. He was fed a story from sources he trusted (they worked for the league) and he ran with it. It was after it came out that the "11 out of 12" story wasn't true that Mortensen started edging into villain territory.

Mortensen has been wrong before. I'm pretty sure he predicted that Michael Vick wouldn't be indicted on dog fighting and animal cruelty charges. And I'm also sure he's been fed one-sided or misleading information by GMs, agents and players trying to send a message through the media in the past. In this case, though, Mort was being used by the NFL to convince the public that the Patriots organization was guilty of a rules violation that never happened. Mort's reaction when the actual PSI values were revealed was to stand by his now debunked story and claim he didn't know how to delete tweets. At least Peter King admitted that his original reporting, based on false information, was wrong.

The aspect of this story that still gets me isn't that Mort and King's original stories were wrong, it's that neither of them (and apparently no one else in the sports media) care why they were wrong. A sports league intentionally planted a false story to incriminate and punish a successful team. That's a huge, All The President's Men level story, but everyone just shrugs it off. Like I mentioned before, I'm sure an agent has told Mort multiple teams are interested in his client when there really are none. That's a situation where, as a media member, you can say "Hey, what can you do?" NFL execs lying to you so they can hamstring a particular team is a completely different situation.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Deflategate was the perfect media story where clicks were more important than truth. Hated team "cheating again" provided countless hours of talk show fodder. Majority of media took the 2lb PSI bait hook, line and sinker and by the time the true numbers came out it no longer mattered. The NFL propaganda campaign had won the day and the truth no longer mattered. You'd even hear pundits say "I don't care about the science, take a look at the text messages" (which as a whole were actually pro Patriots) NFL doubling down and Goodell blatantly lying become fodder for us "truthers" and a few journalists but vast majority of public had already made up their minds.

Same thing happened to the Saints. Take things out of context. Feign fake outrage over the alleged crime "they offered a bottle of booze if they knocked the QB out? That's outrageous" ignore exculpatory information (no actual evidence that Saints committed these transgressions) then come back with a hefty penalty to elevate the seriousness of the crime.

Still surprised that a 20-20/Dateline or book about the NFL's corruption in these 2 cases (plus a few others) has not been done/written. It is so obvious and blatant you would think it would have an audience.

 

[Steve102]

Why can't we let it go? Everyone (but us) hates the fact that the Pats have been good for 18 years, and they all want to tear them down. Meh. Train keeps a-rollin'. Eff 'em. It's gonna keep rollin' when BB and TB12 are gone, too.

I am on the the Divisional round.

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

Why can't we let it go? Everyone (but us) hates the fact that the Pats have been good for 18 years, and they all want to tear them down. Meh. Train keeps a-rollin'. Eff 'em. It's gonna keep rollin' when BB and TB12 are gone, too.

I am on the the Divisional round.

You can do whatever you'd like but I will never forgive anything DFG related.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's not sympathy, but I can understand Mortensen's position in the story. He was fed a story from sources he trusted (they worked for the league) and he ran with it. It was after it came out that the "11 out of 12" story wasn't true that Mortensen started edging into villain territory.

Sticking by a source that lied to you? Yeah, that qualifies.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You can do whatever you'd like but I will never forgive anything DFG related.

Exactly. This isn't like forgiving a ex for a bad breakup or insulting someone.

This whole thing screwed with peoples lives and their reputations.

Besides, no formal apology was issued to Tom or the NEP.

This was a conspiracy and then gross negligence, hubris and stupidity by the NFL.

 

[Observer]

Where is the judge that awarded the victory to Goodell on that list?

 

[NashuaPats]

This is from @1960Pats back in July. A list of everyone who did us wrong during DeflateGate. Say them to yourself before you go to sleep each night like Arya Stark.

Troy Aikman
Skip Bayless
Jerome Bettis
Kevin Blackstone
Ron Borges
Bert Breer
Mark Brunell
Chris Carter
Ryan Clark
Chris Collinsworth
Colin Cowherd
Brian Dawkins
Neil DeGrasse-Tyson
Gregg Doyel
Rich Eisen
Marshall Faulk
Mike Felger
Mike Florio
Bob George
Bob Glauber
Jay Glazer
Mike Golic
Roger Goodell
Mike Greenberg
Ryan Grigson
Charles Haley
Tim Hasslebeck
Bart Hubbuch
Jim Irsay
Tom Jackson
Ted Johnson
Bomani Jones
Dan Kannell
Max Kellerman
Naqi Kelly
Peter King
Bob Kravitz
Matt Lauer
Ronnie Lott
Jackie MacMullen
George Martin
Tony Mazzerotti
Donovan McNabb
Al Michaels
Kurt Minihane
Joe Montana
Chris Mortensen
Bill Nye
Ian O'Connor
Rosie O'Donnell
Jason Page
Woody Paige
Bill Plaschke
Bill Polian
Jerry Rice
Al Roker
Bob Ryan
Shannon Sharpe
Don Shula
Chris Simms
Phil Simms
Stephen A Smith
Gary Tanguay
John Tomase
Mike Tomlin
Brian Urlacher
Ben Volin
Hines Ward
Kurt Warner
Mike Whilbon
Seth Wickersham
Nick Wright

Jackie MacMullen is the one from the list I was most disappointed in. I thought she was better and smarter than that.

 

[1960Pats]

How is Rich Eisen on that list?

That's a good question. I should have put the reasons why on the list at the time also. I remember some of them but not all of them.

All I can say is that everyone on that list is there for something they said that was Defamegate related, whether it was critical of the team or Brady.

 

[Tony2046]

That's a good question. I should have put the reasons why on the list at the time also. I remember some of them but not all of them.

All I can say is that everyone on that list is there for something they said that was Defamegate related, whether it was critical of the team or Brady.

Rich Eisen has been just about anti deflate gate and pro Patriots as a neutral guy can get.

 

[1960Pats]

It's not sympathy, but I can understand Mortensen's position in the story. He was fed a story from sources he trusted (they worked for the league) and he ran with it. It was after it came out that the "11 out of 12" story wasn't true that Mortensen started edging into villain territory.

Mortensen has been wrong before. I'm pretty sure he predicted that Michael Vick wouldn't be indicted on dog fighting and animal cruelty charges. And I'm also sure he's been fed one-sided or misleading information by GMs, agents and players trying to send a message through the media in the past. In this case, though, Mort was being used by the NFL to convince the public that the Patriots organization was guilty of a rules violation that never happened. Mort's reaction when the actual PSI values were revealed was to stand by his now debunked story and claim he didn't know how to delete tweets. At least Peter King admitted that his original reporting, based on false information, was wrong.

The aspect of this story that still gets me isn't that Mort and King's original stories were wrong, it's that neither of them (and apparently no one else in the sports media) care why they were wrong. A sports league intentionally planted a false story to incriminate and punish a successful team. That's a huge, All The President's Men level story, but everyone just shrugs it off. Like I mentioned before, I'm sure an agent has told Mort multiple teams are interested in his client when there really are none. That's a situation where, as a media member, you can say "Hey, what can you do?" NFL execs lying to you so they can hamstring a particular team is a completely different situation.

I always thought that it must be fun to be able to use the media like that, especially since they're more into a rush to get a story first than to get it right.

I've actually thought about taking King off my list since he backed down, but I decided not to. I don't like him much anyway.

 

[Joker]

Where is the judge that awarded the victory to Goodell on that list?

Judge Danny Chin was right in his decision. Article 46 gives Goodell the legal right to say or do whatever he wants to.Chin could've cared less about football and obviously saw the entire circus as an unneeded and unworthy subject for his venue. That being said, **** Chin and the boat he rode in on too.

 

[1960Pats]

You can do whatever you'd like but I will never forgive anything DFG related.

Neither will I, and it's the main reason, along with Goodell lying in court, that I'm dumping the NYFL as soon as Brady is done.

 

[1960Pats]

Rich Eisen has been just about anti deflate gate and pro Patriots as a neutral guy can get.

I trust your judgement and I'm taking him off the list.

Just as well, since I can now play the video of him throwing a football like a girl. I like the way the players get him to do it again so they can laugh at him...

 

[TB_Helmet]

Exactly. This isn't like forgiving a ex for a bad breakup or insulting someone.

This whole thing screwed with peoples lives and their reputations.

Besides, no formal apology was issued to Tom or the NEP.

This was a conspiracy and then gross negligence, hubris and stupidity by the NFL.

And they still owe us two draft picks who may very well have played in last years Super Bowl and made a difference, and the same for this year's upcoming run.

 

[scout]

All I can say is that I've learned 100x more about football from the excellent posters on this board than I have from any sports media writer or outlet.

This. I grew up reading the Herald sport pages. Today, I go to 6-7 new sites, but come here for football news.