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  1. TommyBrady12

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    I think our offense looked terrific against Jax and I think it's been because we now have a healthy offensive line. With Light and Neal returning and Vollmer playing RT, we now have the BEST offensive line we've had all year: Light-Mankins-Koppen-Neal-Vollmer. Kaczur was the weak link IMO. Now, Brady is getting more time to throw the ball plus the running game has picked up. I like this a lot. I just hope Vollmer starts instead of Kaczur from now on.

    and the boston globe agrees!

    Neal completed formidable line - The Boston Globe
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    I hope Vollmer stays at RT when Kaczur becomes healthy.
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    This could be the best oline Brady's ever had if Vollmer stays at RT. I pray that Belichick is able to get over his penchant for veterans. Vollmer gets the occasional false start but his superior play more than makes up for it.
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    What you said
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    I would agree that it could be the best. Draft a RG and then it will be even better? I wouldn't disagree with that either, especially if they scout like they did with Vollmer. I do have a fondness for Neal though... when he's in the game.
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    Yes, Vollmer is an upgrade over Kaczur, but I don't think that this is the best OL ever. I don't think that Neal is anywhere nearly as effective as in the past. I'm not sure Light or Koppen are either.

    In any case, it is a fine offensive line, and a strength of the offense. We will likely be adding an OG early in the 2010 draft.
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    And hopefully a center also.
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    The only ones who think a center is high need for the patriots are posters to message boards.

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    If Neal stays healthy all systems are go. That is probably a big if....... They have allot of talent.
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    If Kaczur starts over Vollmer, I will absolutely lose my cookies.
    I know I know...Kaczur is serviceable this and Vollmer's just a rookie that... but when he was in, just look at the time Tom was getting. Actually floating over to his right at times because HE COULD.
    The man is a roadgrader right after Logan Mankins heart.
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    Not necessarily a first or second round pick, but Koppen gets manhandled too much.

    I wouldn't mind if we aquired a third and used it, or our fourth.
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    Yeah I dont care good of a coach BB is, hes dumb if Kaczur takes over at RT over Vollmer.
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    I don't know why MGTeich says that but I agree with you. Koppen does get eaten up too much especially for a guy who is responsible ( at least somewhat) for the point of attack.
    I guess there's more to being a center than blocking.
    He is very reliable with the shotgun hike, though.
    And he comes with a low price tag.
    I guess those are his saving graces.
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    No. Coach is not dumb obviously. That's why Vollmer will start over Kaczur.
    And I will not lose my cookies.
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    Basically.
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    This isn't true. he does a pretty good job in the middle. Does he struggle with guys like K Jenkins, sure. But, he has a more than adequate skill set for the type of blocking this team does. He chips well and finds another block and he holds his ground well. Koppen is a good center.
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    I dont know if this is the best line the Pats have ever had. Light, Neal and Mankins are all getting up there in age and I dont think they are as good as they were earlier in their careers. With that being said I think with all the injuries the OL has had this year they are having a solid year and getting better each week getting back to full strength health wise. BB said last week that last week was the first week he can remember having a completely active OL.
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    Oh yeah, he's good at what he does.

    But he can be upgraded.
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    He's among the best in the game when healthy, and you think an upgrade will be easily found in the draft?
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    I think you're wrong about Mankins. Actually I know you're wrong about Mankins. He's been in the league 5 years and you think he's getting old?
    Light frustrates me because he always seems to get beat on the outside. Straight up he's a bull but run around him and if you're fast enough you'll get pressure on TB and maybe even sack him.
    Neal is another story. It seems our offense is at it's finest when he's in there but loses it's composure if he goes down so my problem with him is his tendency to get injured too much. He's been in the league 8 years.
    Light has also been here for 8 years. I think there is at least a couple years left in the tank for those two.
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    I am not saying these players are bad by any means, I am just saying since they are ageing they arent as good as they were at the beginning of their careers.
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    How exactly has Mankins declined from his peak, and how is it due to age? Less strength? Less agility? More mental mistakes, perhaps due to early-stage senility???
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    It all starts and ends with Neal. He is the one guy on the line who you really notice when he's missing.
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    Unless I'm not aware of an injury he's had, he's been healthy and he still gets manhandled at the point of attack.
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    To me Mankins just isnt getting off the ball as quick as he did at the beginning of his career and that is why he hasnt been as effective this year as he has been in years past. He hasnt been injured so the only thing there is to blame is age.
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    The left side of the O-Line has just simply not been the problem this season. Mankins and Light are fine.
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    It has been my experience to notice, that more often than not in a case like this, it is a CURRENT but UNKNOWN injury that causes the season(s) of decline. Age drop-off is a relatively slow and yet stable decline until the cliff of course. Wouldn't surprise me if comes out that he's playing through a minor injury. But it would surprise me even less, if we NEVER hear it, but not because it isn't true, but because of general Patriots policy.
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