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    Some of you will become livid. Some will cut me to shreds. Some will beg to differ. I put a few Blockbusters in and try to explain why they will work nor are they one sided (they could work). This is four rounds so one post per round. Have at it! Remember this is for fun and are my offerings.
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    Round 1
    #1 Carolina Panthers: Blaine Gabbert QB, QB The Panthers have no second round pick. Clausen is a back-up maybe. This is your only shot at the best QB in the Draft. He is surely a top ten choice.#1? But you can’t gamble when Buffalo, Cincinnati, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee and Washington are also in the top ten and needing a first round graded QB.

    #2 Denver Broncos: Nick Fairley, DT

    #3 Buffalo Bills: Cam Newton QB, QB, The Bills need to become more exciting. Newton is raw but Chan is a superb QB professor. He can learn behind Fitzpatrick for now.

    #4 Cincinnati Bengals: Da'Quan Bowers, DE

    #5 Arizona Cardinals: Von Miller LB

    #6 Cleveland Browns: A.J. Green, WR

    #7 San Francisco 49ers: Patrick Peterson, CB

    #8 Tennessee Titans: Marcell Dareus, DT/3-4 DE

    #9 NE Patriots via Dallas Cowboys*: Robert Quinn, DE/OLB
    *NE Trades G Logan Mankins, S Brandon Merriweather, G/T Nick Kaczur and N.E. pick #17 in the first round and the N.E. 4th round pick for OLB DeMarcus Ware, RB Marion Barber and Dallas #9. I can see the “are you nuts” posters typing as we speak. Dallas has major needs and desperate on the O Line. Kosier’s an FA . They have one starting Safety. And remember Mankins and Merriweather are Pro Bowlers. Kaczur won’t redo and Barber is on his way out of Dallas but is only 27. Fantasy? Maybe . Workable? Yes. See what the Boys do at #17 and it makes more sense. Jerry gets two stars instead of one. This mock is for fun after all. It can work in real life though. Merriweather is a 2012 FA so his value back to the Pats in 2011 was important. Jerry Jones will pay more for Mankins and Merriweather on new contracts and power agent Mr.Bauer cost his client Mankins millions last year so I am sure he will make a deal quick with Dallas.

    #10 Buffalo Bills via Washington Redskins*: Cameron Jordan, DE * The Skins need a QB but none are left worthy of the #10 pick. Buffalo needs about everything. They give up their second round pick in 2011 and 2012 (Headline: Skins stockpile picks!). Stroud was released and the Bills need a D line stud. Pretty good Draft for the Bills so far. Great off season put Jordan this high.

    #11 Houston Texans: Prince Amukamara, CB

    #12 Minnesota Vikings: Muhammad Wilkerson, DT/DE

    #13 Detroit Lions: Brandon Harris, CB

    #14 St. Louis Rams: Julio Jones, WR

    #15 Miami Dolphins: Mike Pouncey, G/C

    #16 Jacksonville Jaguars: J.J. Watt, DT/3-4 DE

    #17 Dallas Cowboys via NE: Aldon Smith, OLB/DE

    #18 San Diego Chargers: Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB

    #19 New York Giants: Anthony Castonzo OT OT Now come all the OT’s in a row!

    #20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Nate Solder, OT

    #21 Kansas City Chiefs: Gabe Carimi, OT

    #22 Indianapolis Colts: Tyron Smith, OT

    #23 Philadelphia Eagles: Derek Sherrod, OT

    #24 New Orleans Saints: Justin Houston, DE/OLB

    #25 Seattle Seahawks: Jimmy Smith, CB

    #26 Baltimore Ravens: Torrey Smith, WR

    #27 Atlanta Falcons: Adrian Clayborn, DE

    #28 New England Patriots: Danny Watkins G

    #29 Chicago Bears: Stefen Wisniewski, C/G

    #30 New York Jets: Phil Taylor, NT

    #31 Pittsburgh Steelers: Benjamin Ijalana, G/T

    #32 Green Bay Packers: Mark Ingram, RB
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    Round 2

    #33 San Diego via New England Patriots*: Ryan Kerrigan DE/OLB Purdue
    *Pats get an upgrade in Safety in FS Eric Weddle. The Pats were 30th in Yards against in pass in 2010. Standing pat with the present suspects is not going to work again for the Patriots. They lose Merriweather, who had the most pure talent, to the ‘Boys, but gain Eric Weddle who is smart and is the DB quarterback that Belichick desires, had 96 tackles and has playmaking ability. He is only 26. The Chargers had a first round tender on Weddle but this works for them here. Weddle and Pat Chung could be the starting pair. Sanders has a CAP price just south of $3m which is too high for a rotation Safety and the Pats just re-upped Page and Barrett. We can see more moves. This could save money for the Patriots.

    #34 Washington Redskins via Buffalo Bills: Ryan Mallett, QB High reward, high risk but he can sit behind Grossman for awhile. Perhaps the most tools of any QB in the Draft. He needs to mature.

    #35 Cincinnati Bengals: Christian Ponder QB Sneaky good! Palmer insurance.

    #36 Denver Broncos: Rahim Moore, FS

    #37 Cleveland Browns: Cameron Heyward, DE

    #38 Eagles via Arizona Cardinals*: Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB *The Eagles trade their only QB to the Cards who is not named Mike. Kevin Kolb was seeking to start. The Eagles wanted a 1st rounder but someone brought up recent Pro Bowler Matt Cassell. The Birds settle on a need and get CB Greg Toler in Round 2, a new back up QB Derek Anderson over the inexperience Mike Kalfka plus the Cards fifth round pick.

    #39 Tennessee Titans: Andy Dalton QB Dalton is underrated by his offense program but has the smarts and skills.

    #40 Dallas Cowboys: Aaron Williams, CB/FS

    #41 Washington Redskins: Mikel LeShoure, RB

    #42 Houston Texans: Kendrick Ellis NT

    #43 Washington Redskins via Minnesota Vikings*: Stephen Paea, DT/NT *The Vikes trade for Donavan McNabb. Let’s see if McNabb can move this Team

    #44 Detroit Lions: Bruce Carter, OLB

    #45 San Francisco 49ers: Colin Kaepernick QB They also pick up Vince Young for a 3rd round pick. They are very close in skill sets so this works.

    #46 Denver Broncos: Martez Wilson, ILB

    #47 St. Louis Rams: Ryan Williams RB

    #48 Oakland Raiders: Marcus Cannon, G/T

    #49 Jacksonville Jaguars: Quinton Carter, FS

    #50 San Diego Chargers: Corey Liuget, DT

    #51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Sam Acho, DE/OLB

    #52 New York Giants: Curtis Brown, CB

    #53 Indianapolis Colts: Tyler Sash, SS

    #54 Philadelphia Eagles: Rodney Hudson, C/G

    #55 Kansas City Chiefs: Brooks Reed, DE/OLB

    #56 New Orleans Saints: Marvin Austin, DT

    #57 Seattle Seahawks: Jake Locker, QB

    #58 Baltimore Ravens: Kyle Rudolph, TE

    #59 Atlanta Falcons: Leonard Hankerson, WR

    #60 New England Patriots: John Baldwin WR This was a case of BPA for the Pats. He should have not been there this late. Pats were looking for more O Line depth. it just worked out. They still need to sign a Vet WR and I see a 5th to the Bengals for WR Chad Ochocinco. Three youngsters like Tate, Edelman, Price and now another in Baldwin, are not NFL seasoned yet. It worked on the TE kids last year, but Price and Tate were not major factors in the passing game. Edelman and Tate were better in ST roles.

    #61 San Diego Chargers: Randall Cobb, WR/KR Again a BPA choice and luxury pick for the Chargers but the will be losing at least two WR from the 2010 roster.

    #62 Chicago Bears: Christian Ballard, DE/DT

    #63 Pittsburgh Steelers: Quan Sturdivant, ILB

    #64 Green Bay Packers: Joseph Barksdale, OT
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    Round 3
    #65 Carolina: Jarvis Jenkins DT #66 Cincinnati: Ras-I Dowling, CB
    #67 Denver: Kendall Hunter RB
    #68 Buffalo: Titus Young, WR
    #69 Arizona: DeMarco Murray RB
    #70 Cleveland: Jordan Todman RB
    #71 Dallas: Brandon Burton CB
    #72 New Orleans via Washington: DeAndre McDaniel S
    #73 Houston: Tandon Doss, WR
    #74 New England via Minnesota : John Moffitt OG
    #75 Detroit: Quinton Carter S
    #76 Tennessee via San Francisco*: Clint Boling OG *Titans ship Vince Young to S.F. Good luck Vince.
    #77 Tennessee: Kelvin Sheppard ILB
    #78 St. Louis: Stephen Schilling OG
    #79 Miami: Daniel Thomas RB
    #80 Jacksonville: Ricky Stanzi QB
    #81 Oakland: Chimdi Chekwa CB
    #82 San Diego: Shane Vereen RB
    #83 New York Giants: Mason Foster, OLB
    #84 Tampa Bay: Roy Helu RB
    #85 Philadelphia: Johnny Patrick CB Yep, they need a Safety more. But they get N.E. Safety James Sanders for #119 (approx. pending comps) one of the Eagles two fourth rounders, as N.E. has to ship a fourth to Dallas. Reid likes N.E. DBs.
    #86 Kansas City: Luke Stocker, TE Moeaki is the move TE. Stocker can bring his big frame in to do a little of both.
    #87 Indianapolis: Jurrell Casey DT
    #88 New Orleans: Chris Carter OLB
    #89 San Diego via Seattle: Orlando Franklin OT
    #90 Baltimore: Buster Skrine CB
    #91 Atlanta: Dontay Moch OLB
    #92 New England: James Carpenter OT
    #93 Chicago: Jason Pinkston OT
    #94 New York Jets: Allen Bailey DE
    #95 Pittsburgh: Shareece Wright CB
    #96 Green Bay : Joe Lefedged SS


    COMP –Carolina: Virgil Green TE
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    Round 4
    1. Carolina: Cecil Shorts III WR
    2. Seattle - from New England via Denver: David Arkin OG
    3. Buffalo: Marcus Gilbert OT
    4. Cincinnati: Deunta William FS
    5. Cleveland: Casey Mathews ILB
    6. Arizona: Davon House CB
    7. Philadelphia - from Washington: Drake Nevis DT
    8. Houston: Robert Sands S
    9. Minnesota: Paul Niles WR
    10. Detroit: Zach Hurd OG
    11. San Francisco: Nate Irving ILB
    12. Tennessee: Cortez Allen CB
    13. Dallas: Colin McCarthy ILB
    14. Miami: Kris O’Dowd C
    15. St. Louis: K.J Wright OLB
    16. Oakland: Lawrence Guy DT
    17. Jacksonville: Nick Bellore ILB
    18. San Francisco - from San Diego: Jerrell Powe DT
    19. Tampa Bay: Lawrence Wilson OLB
    20. New York Giants: Denarious Moore WR
    21. Kansas City : Ian Williams DT
    22. Indianapolis: Mario Fannin RB
    23. Dallas-from N.E. via Philadelphia: Edmund Gates WR
    24. Jacksonville - from New Orleans: Chris White ILB
    25. Buffalo - from Seattle: Delone Carter RB
    26. Baltimore: James Brewer OT
    27. Atlanta : Weslye Saunders TE
    28. New England : Shiloh Keo S
    29. New York Jets : Will Rackley OG
    30. Chicago: Greg Little WR
    31. Pittsburgh: Pernell McPhee DE
    32. Green Bay: Mark Herzlich OLB

    COMP-Arizona: Greg Jones ILB
    Green Bay: Marcus Gilchrist CB
    Houston: D.J.Williams TE
    Tennessee: Lee Ziemba G/T
    New England: Greg Romeus DE/OLB
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    Quinn and Ware? I like the idea of moving up, but I don't think we take two OLB with 'one' pick.
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    So Dallas trades away DeMarcus Ware and the 9th pick to the Patriots and replaces him with Aldon Smith? Meanwhile the Patriots get DeMarcus Ware in a trade and also use the 9th pick on an OLB? My head is spinning.
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    "My head is spinning"...cool! I am thinking Exorcist here!
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    That is fair but some see Quinn as a DE and is listed that way. I would really prefer Miller but I don't think he lasts until #9. I fought with this but I can see it work. Put these two on the outside and I think pass rush is cured.
    Anyway the Cowboys are desperate for quality OL help and a substantial Safety. We sacrifice as do they. Jerry will pay those two as the Pats will not give them what they want.

    Barber and Kaczur are about a push.

    How about Peterson?
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    DW Toys 5th annual Bonkers-a-rama escape from reality 4 round Draft.

    A lot of fun, but thank the Lord it won't happen.
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    Fair enough. So say it you, but stranger things have happened. Two dominating players switch Teams and some sprinkles on top go with it. It is also the kind of stage Jerry Jones likes. High profilers moving around like poker chips.

    Would.....Britpat.....make this move what-hey Governor? Methinks though would. What say you?
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    Thanks for the post. Cheered me up. Are you Nuts!

    Mankins and Merriweather = DeMarcus Ware
    Nick Kaczur and #17 = Marion Barber and #9

    I don’t think so!

    If Pats get Ware (who is wearing down), I see them going for Cameron Jordan not Quinn. To take Quinn, Pats must view Cunningham as bust or injured beyond repair. I can’t get past first round to comment on rest.

    But thanks again for the effort.
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    Id be lying if I said Id be upset with this, but Id also be lying if I thought it had a chance of happening. Another thought to consider is that the Chargers spent a first round pick on Larry English a couple years ago so I don't see them going OLB with English and Phillips on the roster. Id also rather trade back a couple of spots and draft Julio Jones if Ware were on his way here.
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    No, it's not realistic. I don't think you could get Jerry Jones to part with DeMarcus Ware alone for two firsts, let alone pull this trade off.

    More or less necessary here.

    Squandering the best value pick in the draft because you traded away Meriweather. Great.


    Gee, more trading of picks for veterans.

    A decent pick for once.

    :rolleyes:

    Not necessary if you hadn't traded away Sanders.

    The Patriots are not getting a comp 4, period. The best they can hope for is a comp 7.
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    Fair enough. Thank you for the comments.
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    Had not thought of that angle. I like that scenario as well.
    Thanks
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    P.S. Isn't English kind of on the back burner to date? He seems to be going Gholston.
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    I see one dominating player (which the Cowboys aren't simply going to trade away for one pick) - but where's the second?
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    I love Madden 2011 to :)




    BTW, Ware is not slowing down.. That comment is ridiculous.. He' a beast!
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    I like the Jordan scenario here as well. Might be better. I don't see Jordan lasting until #17 nor Watt.
    I made a formula. If it would take two first rounders to pry Ware from the 'Boys, I think it only fair Mankins could be at least one first round value (in fact slightly more). Merriweather might have a second round value so add a fourth which might be too steep, so a swap in the first would be about right.

    Kaczur and Barber are more or less a push. Don't read much into that. Kaczur won't redo and Barber will be moved. Both value adds to each side that help the deal.

    Thank you for your comments.
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    Do you think Mankins might be the top NFL Guard or close to it?
    Call it what you want but Merriweather and Mankins were still Pro Bowlers. They are both still young and capable of starting right awya unlike most Draft choices who need some seasoning. They are both dire needs for the 'Boys.It helps both Teams.
    No it's not Madden. It can actually work but the sides must think it does.
    Give me a reason why not then?
    Is Ware worth three first rounders? Four?
    Hey this Mock is for fun but it is not as far fetched as people might say.
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    After reading my initial comments, I feel I should give more insight into why I think it's bonkers.....

    Let's start with the Draft picks. The only fair tool for comparison is the (admittedly slightly outdated) trade value chart, but use it we shall.

    #9 is worth 1350 points, #17 is worth 950 points. That's 400 points difference (not that I'm doubting you can count fella) - and our 4th round pick is worth only 56 points. That's 344 points difference for those not keeping score. That's the equivalent of the #55/#55 pick in the Draft.

    Kaczur has no trade value so you might as well put him to the side. Which means that Mankins and Meriweather have to be worth Ware, Barber and a mid second round pick. Ware isn't leaving Dallas without an incredibly stupid offer being put to JJ. And this certainly isn't a stupid offer, not in the way it would need to be anyway.

    Watkins is not a first round pick, first and foremost. Not with the CBA up in the air, and not at 26 years old. Take Wisniewski instead.

    Counting tackles is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea. He'd be a marginal upgrade at best. Certainly not worth trading the 33rd pick of the draft for.

    After initially being infatuated with Baldwin, I now see what others see. Laziness, average athleticism, inability to beat press coverage, poor route runner. We traded someone not so long ago who bore all those hallmarks. I'd rather take the next guy down.

    As for trading a fifth round away for Johnson, who is worth nothing - sorry fella. Not good enough.

    I can see why, but he's simply not a Pats Guard. Not agile enough, not a good enough technician.

    Why would the Pats trade away someone Belichick clearly rates and has done since he arrived, for little in return? I'm not sure what else Sanders has to do to prove his worth, certainly to the fans.

    A 6'4" 321lb OT? For the Patriots?

    Hang on, you wouldn't need to do this if you hadn't traded away Sanders.

    I thought we couldn't get a Compensatory 4th round pick?

    I liked the enthusiasm, I liked the determination, but the rest - it's a no from me.

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    Is this just #33 for Weddle straight up?
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    Well thank you for your comments. I complete disagree and question some of your reasoning but that being said this is for fun. Weddle has a first round tender (not a higher first and third). We all know my disdain for Sanders' game so I won't go there, but if you can upgrade , and Weddle certainly is, you can go for him. Let's use logic.

    If not. Fine keep Sanders, but you have the same problem. A rotation Safety is NOT worth approx. $3m a year. You can't convince me. You have to consider money and next year Merriweather is costly. Weddle costs less than Merriweather and Sanders together and can do the same job as these two and can be paired with Chung. If you consider dollars going into next year (and I am sure Sanders will want a raise), Weddle is a cheaper option than paying both, better than Sanders as a player and let's call Merriweather a wash unless we throw smart into the equation.

    As far as Watkins, he is rated higher by many over Wisniewski (How successful have Penn Sate players been in the NFL lately? Name five Penn State NFL starters). See what Mayock thinks. Right now Watkins is second behind Pouncey. I look for Moffitt as a Center. Again Mayock rates him top five.

    Baldwin was just there when I did my Mock. I disagree that he will not make a great NFL WR. My binkerino? Certainly not.

    I appreciate your preferred players and respect your choices. None of them are bad.
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    It's a nice Idea but that's way too many player swapping around that almost never happens in bulk like that.
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    He only has a first round tender. Can't see SD passing #33.
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    So basically this entire exercise was intended, in rather outlandish and improbable fashion, to craft scenarios whereby the Patriots would get rid of players that DWToys doesn't like.

    It's nothing if wholly predictable.
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    Actually, it's a little more complicated than that. Every year he proposes trading away the draft for veterans, because he considers them more proven & ready than draft picks...except for the Patriots' own veterans, who are dispensable. Good fun.
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    Don't forget $$! Jones gave Ware a $20 million signing bonus 2 years ago. He'll have paid $34 million for just 2 years of Ware's services, then flipped him for the opportunity to hand Mankins a huge bonus of his own. Lucky Jerry! Meanwhile the Patriots will reap the benefits of Ware's long-term deal, paying him just $15 million over the next 3 years.
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    Yes, Thank you. I consider each day a blessing and three years from now who knows if we will still be competitive.So I would rather take my best shot in 2012 and worry about 2014 later when these rookies are ready. Just a mix please.Not too heavy one way or the other.
    We had a good Draft but we also picked up Woodhead, Branch, Warren, Crump, Moore and Page who played some by FA or trade.

    I did like 2007 over this last year so I guess the player adds in 2007 made it more interesting to me. We have had way too many bad Drafts in the last 10 years to make up for last year.

    And I thank you for acknowledging fun.

    I have my favorites and then I have reasons some of the others are not my cup of tea. I like Mankins and Merriweather both. I just see the value of a strategic Trade to another Teams whose needs are defined by what we possibly have to offer and vice versa.

    I would like to see Merriweather and especially Mankins here for years. It looks like a standoff with Kaczur and the other way Barber is not for long in Dallas.

    I got this negative stuff when I suggested another WR a year before he got here but I did get more of ....he is finished..... as well.

    I am adamant about the fact that Weddle will cost us less than keeping Merriweather and Sanders in the long run, so that is fact.
    Now consider an upgrade over one guy and a wash the other but you are paying only one guy with Weddle. No way Merriweather is cheaper than Weddle this year when BM puts his terms down next season.

    I can't see a top flight ready to go starting Safety in this Draft class. And our weakest part of our defense was passing yards against and up the middle. I can't see why everyone on the board is so content with that? The pass rush should improve and help but there is still a major drop off.

    Again thank you for your comments.
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    dumbest thing ive ever seen.

    Ware to Patriots AND we get the 9th pick.


    Had to tune out after that. cant follow something i know is this nuts
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