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    Health being the big concern, but just a reminder:

    Making the Leap, No. 29: Patriots WR Julian Edelman - NFL.com
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    As long as he doesn't break his foot making the leap :p
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    Hopefully Edelman fills in seamlessly when Amendola goes down and Amendola fills in seamlessly for Edelman when he goes down.
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    considering Edelman's nightclub groping allegation last season, I feel "poised to make a leap" is a little bit of a double entendre, n'est ce pas? or perhaps it's because I have my mind perpetually in the gutter...:noidea:
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    He can and I think will make a leap, simply because he will get more opportunity this year. And I think he can consistently got open, what reason would one think not? He was already starting the year anyways, seeing the field more the Wes was the plan initially I think. And didn't he do really well his first year as a receiver back when Wes Welker got hurt in 2009, receiving the nickname Wes's "minime"? Now, he is far more experienced and perhaps better then back then. Remember, before his injury last year he was on the rise and a hot streak with at least 346 yards of total offense and 7 TDs including punt returns, a reverse and a long 56 yard bomb from Tom Brady. Put it this way, if both Amendola and Edelman stay healthy this year, then it will be a treat to see defenses try and stop them considering their different but complimenting skill sets.
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    i hope he doesn't take a leap again..he will get hurt :D
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    Injuries happen to everybody lol If roster spots went by percentage or chance of a player getting injured then no one would be successful, because their best player would never play due to "chance" of getting hurt, when that particular season just happened to be the one where they actually WEREN'T going to get hurt but instead sush the haters and actually stay healthy for an entire year. Remember when Tom got hurt for the first time, or Brett Favre? They can happen to any and everybody during any time but you simply can't go by that .. have to take your chances, and play your best players. Who knew Gronk was going to get hurt after the two seasons he's had?
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    Edelman is very good in open space. He isn't as good at creating his open space, but he isn't terrible either. The problem with Edelman is his injuries. He is always banged up, on the verge of missing games. He hasn't shown the ability to take consistent NFL hits and stay healthy enough to play.
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    Because he never has?
    Last year he caught just 21 passes, and 9 of them were screens.

    We keep hearing this, yet he never produces like the people saying it are predicting the he is a FA and no team shows interest and we sign him for a JAG deal. At what point does JAG production, and the appearance that the league considers him a JAG hit home?
    He caught 4 and 7 passes the 2 previous years, and we had a need for WR production.


    He had 280 yards of total offense (235 receiving and 45 rushing) all season. He scored 4 TDs.
    On the rise? He caught 11 passes in his last 6 games after returning from injury.


    If we are relying on scaring defenses about having to deal with Juilian Edelman as a WR we are in deep trouble.
    Edelmans upside is making some nice runs on screens or short passes, running a reverse or 2 and being a good punt returner. If he is one of our top WRs that is not a good sign at all.
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    Ok dude, look

    Everything that you just so-called broke down and quoted is flashes of brilliance given, his short time to show forth, being playing time on the field and time of injury that occurred. What I'm saying is realistically whats stopping him from being a weapon in this offense other than the obvious, durability and playing time? With his athleticism, elusiveness, short field explosiveness and possibility of growth what else is stopping him, other than those two obvious factors that I just mentioned? Giving the fact that he has Tom Brady as a QB, Josh McDaniels as an OC, Brian Daboll as a WR Coach and Bill Belichick to put him in position for success. Is he that much different physically from Wes Welker or Danny Amendola? He has the tools just like Wes once did, and Amendola does.. maybe not on the same level, but as far as style and approach not that different. And you can even go on to say more physically gifted than Wes, or open field runner. He is just as quick, and not like he hasn't learned from Wes Welker when Wes was in the offense, or can't learn from Danny Amendola.
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    I like Edelman. The Pats were a stacked team last year, with a lot of guys getting in on the action. Edelman came through big at times when the team needed him to.
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    I strongly disagree. In my mind, there has never been any doubt about his ability to consistently get open and catch the ball. There have been very real concerns about his ability to stay healthy. That's reality. However, his injuries have largely been broken bones, not nebulous types of things like pulled muscles, strains, etc. I have always understood the frustration with Edelman's unavailabilty due to injury. What I have never understood is the inclination of many posters to denigrate his ability and/or desire. To me, those qualities have never been in question.
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    If he stays healthy yeah I could see him putting up Lloyd #'s. Probably not going to happen though
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    The worry for me with his injuries are they tend to be the same injury repeating like his broken hand (twice).

    When he's healthy, he's a weapon, I like him as a player and his special teams ability is under rated despite, as the article says, he's the 4th best in league history at returning punts which is a bonus because after he puts in a good return, the GOAT walks onto the field with better field position thanks to Edelman...although he does need to fair catch a little bit more he takes a decent amount of heavy hits as soon as he catches the ball.
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    If Edelman had been getting open, he'd have put up better numbers. He was a top read for Brady at the start of last season.
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    False, with Aaron Hernandez, Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead, and Brandon Lloyd he wasn't the focal point of many offensive plays then. Now its his time to shine, being that him and Danny Amendola will be.
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    But he has a good work ethic and lots of talent. If he can stay healthy I could see him making more plays and putting up better numbers than he has in the past.
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    False. Edelman was out there on plays while Welker was on the bench in game 1, and he had 1 catch. Then, in game 2, Hernandez was injured and wasn't even in the picture. Edelman then got hurt in game 3, came back by game 7, and had 11 catches total for the remainder of the season.

    All the pom poms in the world aren't going to make that 11 catches in 6 games number look good.
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    it looked like the Jets game was going to be his watershed coming out party but right after the scoop and score he broke something else.

    I like that he's got a QB background...in an emergency that would come in handy...so there's a nice little plus. He's got good football smarts, decent hands, 4.5 speed....yeah, OK, he's an NFL football player...BUT...look, at some point a player HAS TO play...not a game here or there...not a good play every once in a while.
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    And all the selective statistics in the world aren't going to make 5 touchdowns in 9 games look insignificant, either. Look, if the guy can't stay healthy he's not much help. My contention is that if he can stay healthy, he can be a very useful and effective weapon. Unfortunately for him and us, he has yet to prove he can stay healthy. We'll see. But, denying his abilities when he is healthy is just foolish and is indicative to me of an ulterior motive.
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    Julian Edelman had 3 receiving TDs all of last season. He has 4 receiving TDs in his entire career. My post responding to you was clearly about him as a WR, as was your post to which I responded and as was the follow up post by NEPettyOfficer72, so why are you trying to add in non-WR TDs and claiming I'm being selective about the stats when you're the one trying to expand the discussion to include his non-WR TDs?
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    False. He had 2 receiving TDs in his rookie year in one playoff game vs. Baltimore. That, with his 4 regular season TDs and 3 punt return TDs and 1 fumble recovery return gives him 10 career TDs, 6 of which are receiving not 4 as you erroneously claimed. If I've learned anything in my time on this board is that debating with you is a fool's errand. I've already been on way more than my fair share of those in my life, so I'm over and out on this one.
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    Hit the nail on the head Andy. He has great ability once the balls in his hands. But it is not always easy to get the ball into his hands. He is often injured, drops catchable balls, and doesn't get open without scheme assistance.

    He certainly not going replace Welker or Hernandez. What he offers in my eyes is a adequate backup to Amendola who has injury problems in the past and average to above average ST play.
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    Then why doesn't he get open and make catches.

    I haven't heard anyone say anything about his desire, but his ability as a WR is certainly in question. He has caught 32 passes in 3 years. We haven't had the worlds greatest WR corps in those 3 years. If he had the necessary ability he would be catching a significant number of passes.

    What leads you to believe he can get open? He caught 7 passes (5 of which were screens) in 2010 4 in 2011 and last year he caught 21, 9 of which were WR screens (ie not a matter of getting open).
    He has caught 2,4, and 12 passes in the last 3 seasons beyond the line of scimmage. That works out to less than 0.5 per game. I'm not sure where you see him having no trouble getting open.
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    He can fill a role, catching screen passes when the opponent gameplan calls for it, getting the ball on some reverses, and being a reserve of course being the punt returner as well.

    Last year people were claiming he could 'seamlessly' replace Wes Welker after having caught 11 passes, 6 beyond the los, and making 1 3rd down conversion in 2 years combined, so the opinions you will get on Edelman may be headscratchers.
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    Yeah that's crazy. Welker was the best slot WR to ever play the game during his time here. Those types of players are not easily duplicated. I think the thing that set Welker apart was his intelligence and understanding of the game. He will be missed, this Hernandez situation coming out or left field really changes the impact of that decision.

    All we can do is hope Gronkowski gets healthy and these young WR's can give us some contributions.
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    We were stacked at WR least year???????? with Welker, Lloyd and Branch?? Really?

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    OK Dude, I'm looking.

    Because in 4 years he has never been that. We have no evidence to show he can be. Sure you can hope, but it just isnt supported.


    The fact that he is poor at getting open, which is the most important attribute of a WR.


    By that argument everyone will succeed.



    Yes very different. He is weak at the most important part of being a WR, the part WW and DA are best at.


    Now he is better than Welker?

    If Edelman can catch 10-12 screen passes and maybe 10-12 beyond the line of scrimmage while being effective as a PR and maybe run a few reverses then I would consider that a great year for him.
    To compare him to Welker is ridiculous.
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    I just hope that Edelman stays healthy so that he can be a productive punt returner and special teamer all year. Any contribution at WR is a bonus.

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