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    Nice read but I disagree...
    New England Patriots: Predicting the 53-man roster - ESPN Boston


    No Tyrone McKenzie there is no way he gets cut, coach had way too many good things to say about him to give up on him so soon, plus the fact that the TE have been seen lining up at FB where williams was at start of camp tells me that they are not quite as thrilled with his work there
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Reiss' logic that we have to keep Bussey and Welch to keep other teams from claiming them so we cut McKenzie is dubious.
    Mike hasnt paid attention to the fact that 5th-7th round players almost never get plucked off wavers at cutdown, and somehow thinks it would be better to have someone claim McKenzie.
    Put me down in the camp that says we keep better players instead of guessing who someone else might want as thier 53rd guy.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Both are cutting Holt. I think they are wrong, but tonight may be a good clue on that one
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Was very suprised to see McKenzie cut in Reiss' 53. I also think Holt will make the team, but its up for much more debate than McKenzie.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Reiss's is awful.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Welker has come back much faster, so you have two veterans, two 2nd-year, and one rookie, and one ST. I think that is a good balance. Moss, Welker and Tate will be default starters.

    However on the other hand, I am not projecting Slater to make the roster, and Aiken is on the bubble and I think may be cut because Chung has been groomed in Aiken's positions on ST (personal protector, gunner).
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    For comparison, Glen Farley of the Quincy Patriot Ledger also gives us his roster projections: A look at how the Patriots? 53-man roster is going to shape up - Quincy, MA - The Patriot Ledger


    On offense he has the Pats going with the same five RBs, and Aiken over Holt at WR. On the offensive line he left Mankins and Kaczur off, has Ohrnberger missing the cut, and Ghiaciuc, Larsen and Wendell all making the roster.

    Farley leaves Brace out, citing the old adage "you can't make the club from the tub"; not sure if he sees him being cut or headed to IR. He has seven DL on the roster, including Lewis, Pryor, and Kade Weston. Farley has nine linebackers on the squad, including Woods and Williams, with Alexander being cut. In the secondary he has Arrington and Wilhite making the team with Wheatley being the odd man out.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Holt is going to be a touch and go from what I have seen, price looks good one day and not so great the next, never the less he and holt would be competing for the same playing time from what I have observed at camp. Slater has to go and with Chung stepping it up on teams I might even consider cutting ties with Aiken I know they are diff positions but I look at it more in roster spots.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    I think McKenzie and Holt make the team. I think Slater starts on the injured list.

    If we are able to reach an agreement with Mankins before the season starts I think we keep less offensive lineman.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    The other side of that is:
    Aging Moss
    Recovering Welker
    Welkers backup
    2 guys with virtually no NFL experience (one who was injured in08 and 09)
    A st that you dont want at WR.

    I think the experience is important.
    While I agree it can go either way, it worries me to think that behind Moss and Welker are 3 guys with a combined 12(guessing) games of NFL experience.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    What do you mean 'start' on the injured list? IR is season ending.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Very surprised at McKenzie not making it...
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    As many here have said, he's a good reporter, but a lousy clairvoyant. His predictions are almost always wrong. He should stop embarrassing himself
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    For the 1000th time, Reiss never embarrasses himself. He always states that his projections are "his guesses" and he readily admits that he bombs from time to time, which is refreshing honesty whereas the other d-bags just change the subject to save face.

    Reiss and Price are the only Patriots beat writers I read these days.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    I'm shocked that they think Holt is getting cut. I've really seen enough of Aiken and Slater. I don't care how great they are on special teams. I think Holt will have a bigger impact in games as an offensive weapon than Aiken and Slater do on special teams.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    I agree, and I think Reiss also listens, which is highly unusual.

    Andy Hart and those PFW boys are okay too.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Unfortunately, in the recent past BB has seen otherwise.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    I believe Holt gets cut until he does something, anything, to prove otherwise. My stance on this has been slowly changing from wild eyed enthusiasm at signing to clear reality of 'what has Holt done for us lately?' How soon we forget that this guy was trained to lie down after catching the ball rather than take a hit from big bad O-T-I-S in the 2001 superbowl. Too harsh? ;)

    McKenzie makes the team easily.

    Aiken is gone. We have people like Arrington, and surprises like Dane Fletcher and a few other guys that frankly have way more upside. Different position but special teams guys nonetheless...

    Surprise cut/forced pay cut candidate....Sanders...
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    BB has said that you often need three safeties on the field; so if you need three on the field, you generally need four on the roster. So would that fourth be Ross Ventrone, then? :eek:
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    I know the WR corp is deeper this year but Joey Bleepin Galloway made the team last year, so i'm leaning towards Holt making it with the Vet aspect playing heavily into the reasoning.
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    Surprise cut/forced pay cut candidate....Sanders...[/QUOTE]

    That was my dark horse to be cut at the start of camp and with Chung seemingly improving daily I feel even more that it may happen.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Slater is ineligible for PUP. He can be kept, IR'd, or cut.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Sanders may not be cut but instead kept to dangle as trade bait. I agree he doesn't make the 53.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Not sure about cutting Holt, but happy that the consensus is that Wes is on the squad and presumably starting.

    Definitely worried, now that it is staring us in the face, about opening the season without Kaczur and Mankins.
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    No, it would be Sanders with a extension which actually reduces his salary cap hit.

    I do not see it likely that Sanders gets paid straight up when he is not a starter at this point based on training camp reps.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    As much as I'd hate to see Sanders traded, I think this could happen. Whether it be for a player or more likely a draft pick which is then used to get either a solid player for the OL or an OLB with decent pass rush skills, you usually have to give up something to get something.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    Keeping Galloway last season has little to no bearing on whether Holt stays or not. Holt stays or goes under his own merit and value to the team. Add in the fact that our WR depth is much deeper and better than last year, and Holt getting cut is not out of the question. That said, I'd like to see him stay.
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    People have to remember 2 dynamics:

    1) Special teams units...Have to fill them out with players that fit specific positions/skills and are given practice time on ST.

    2) 45 man gameday actives...Having a veteran (like Lewis or GWarren) sitting on the depth chart outside the top 45 makes no sense. I know injuries take care of this most times, but you don't want vets in street clothes as healthy scratches.

    When taken together (you need ST players on the active 45), these considerations usually result in surprise veteran cuts and unexpected players making the 53 on a yearly basis.

    I think that these consideration indicate the battles to watch during the preseason:

    Murrell vs. Woods - They seem redundant, particularly with Ninkovich likely claiming a spot

    Lewis vs. GWarren - Barring a TWarren problematic injury, I can't see keeping both

    Wilhite vs. Wheatley - Most interesting battle from my perspective. Wheatley has the opportunity to show off tonite (Saints are a great test). This is my pick for the biggest upset on the final 53.

    Sanders vs. McGowan - I think they both make it but if one of them is clearly the #4 safety on the depth chart, it puts them in an uncertain place.

    Aiken vs. Alexander vs. Youngsters - This is the spot that Slater and the rest of the outliers are targeting. With WR and ILB looking stacked, it may be too much of a luxury to keep Aiken/Alexander around. Maybe better to invest the ST/gameday inactive spot to a developmental FB (Williams), OLB (Fletcher) or DB (Lockett).
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    Re: Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak predict how the Patriots roster will look come Septembe

    The McKenzie prediction is going out on a pretty huge limb. Reiss wants to cut a 2009 3rd-round pick who has done everything right in the offseason and training camp so that Thomas Williams can play fullback? Very weird.

    Second weirdest is Rodak taking Eric Alexander over Marques Murrell, who has comparable special-teams skills and has been getting a lot more meaningful reps on defense in camp than Alexander ever did.
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    we'll have to see who's playing on first-team special teams tonight. That'll offer some clues as to who's valued more. Reiss usually covers it in his blog.
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