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Maroney pick forces Indy to reach for Addai

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  1. rainmaker

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    Maybe I'm into Jedi-mind tricks, but I like to think that BB intentionally went RB and picked Maroney, knowing that Deangelo Williams would go soon after. After these two RBs were gone, the RB class for the versatile type of RB Indy wanted went razor thin and they had to reach for Addai, a consensus 2nd or 3rd rounder. It was also interesting that Maroney compared himself to Edge.
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    I think that is more of an ancillary effect of us taking Maroney than a determing factor. He had great value where we took him - for us first and foremost.
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    Agree. But it made for a nice fringe benefit.
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    BB has too many things to worry about than drafting players to mess up the Colts. Quite frankly he doesn't need to anyway; the Colts don't give him that much trouble. By the way there are 30 other teams the Pats have to play but whatever.
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    I would love to think the same, but that's wrong.

    Addai fits their system very well, and all along many people thought they would take him.

    Can't say I'm disappointed by OUR pick though.
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    Maroney is thought to fit equally well in their offense - he and many other compare his running style to Edge's. Though I believe we selected Maroney because we wanted him, this was a nice benefit from the selection. I was hoping the Jaguars would select Addai and completely screw the Colts, but that was probably wishful thinking on my part.

    The Chad Jackson move was also sneaking, going right in front of Shanahan's nose and forcing him to trade for Walker, who may pull a T.O. and become a massive locker room cancer.
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    Purely accidental, but we did screw up the Colts day big time. First of all, Maroney was the best fit for the Colts offense, with his combination of size and breakaway speed, plus his experience with a zone blocking scheme. Secondly, they were forced to reach on a guy who should've been taken in the 45-60 range. They took Addai when the value may have been at linebacker, another position of glaring need for the Colts.
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    DrPatriot, I think the Jackson pick may have happened for the opposite reason--that the Patriots weren't going to be able to get Walker.
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    That's right

    Absolutely. He's a good player, a good fit, but they went for "need" rather than "talent."

    Remember, he never even put up the numbers that Kevin Faulk did at LSU.

    I think when the Pats picked Maroney, the Colts groaned. They knew their hopes of getting either him or DeAngelo Williams was gone.

    So it's icing on the cake: We got the best player available at the pick at a need position while cutting down one of our main competitors. Call it "win-win-win."
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    Bingo. Addai was listed 32 in Gosselin's Top 100. Picking him at 30,then, is not a reach.
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    Addai reminds me of Kevin Faulk with a little more speed. Not a premier every down back.
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    Maybe - but I saw a lot of mock drafts with Indy being left with Addai anyway

    But I know what you are saying - I think the Pats were taking a chance that they could trade back up to grab Jackson at WR who was clearly a big priority for them given all the time they spent with him

    Conversely they knew that another RB would be off the board after Indy's pick - so even if they had Jackson ranked higher it was a good strategic move to grab your RB first
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    Where was it listed that he was a consensus 2nd or 3rd rounder? BTW, pick 30 is only 2 picks away from the 2nd round. I would have been happy with either of those backs. I think Addai will fit in very well, he has more experience in the passing game than Maroney and will be able to contribute in that area earlier. I don't think that it screwed the Colts as much as many here would like it to have.
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    The Colts will be ok, worse than last year offensively, but don't pretend losing out on both Maroney and Dangelo didn't hurt. Maroney would have been the perfect Colt. Either way, Indy's ship has sailed.
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    #24 Jersey

    Wherever he went, they used their #1 pick for a downgraded RB and I'm good with that.
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    I find it telling that Maroney describes himself as a Edgerrin James type runner (I emphasize type - obviously he doesn't have the resume)

    Another reason why BB was wise not to take the chance of him lasting past the Colts

    I'm sure in addition to their boards they have a feel for how other teams rank players in the draft... it was likely that they didn't see other teams with a high WR need between 21 & 36 but saw more competition for RB
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    Dan Wetzel of yahoo agrees.

    It seems Dan Wetzel may agree with my conspiracy theory! I know a yahoo reporter isn't the best source...

    "Indianapolis Colts
    Needing to replace Edgerrin James, the Colts got Joseph Addai, so they filled a critical need. But they also may have influenced two other teams' selections. The Texans admit they passed on Reggie Bush and Vince Young because they feared the Colts' offense. And New England may (it's all a rumor, of course) have taken running back Laurence Maroney because the Pats knew the Colts coveted him. It never hurts when you are being obsessed about."
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    re

    I mentioned the same thing a while ago in the Shanahan thread, but I'm glad you brought this up and quoted the Yahoo article. It makes me feel like I'm not the only conspiracy theorist here :)

    About drafting Maroney...I don't think Belichick thought about it at the time - he was probably going for best value and fit for the Patriots.

    However, I LOVE that Polian's plan backfired on him. He resigned all of his receivers and quarterback to huge contracts, and let the engine of his offense sign with Arizona. He was probably eyeing Maroney or Williams to replace Edge. Instead, he's stuck with a slightly better version of Kevin Faulk.

    I'll say this: the Colts' golden years have already peaked. Their past two years were their best chance at a championship. From here on out, it will be a slow decline for the rest of Manning's career.
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    #24 Jersey

    Last I checked the Colts obsess about us, not the other way around. I don't think the Patriots are getting rules changed to help against the Colts the way the Colts are to help against us.
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    several mocks had us taking Maroney from the beginning.
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    I would also offer that our Maroney pick influenced the Steelers. They needed a RB, but no longer liked their position at 32 after we took Maroney (if I have that timing right --- I had to be away from the TV when it all happened).

    Carolina helped us siphon off the best RB's but now I'm a little worried about the Panthers --- great Day One for them I think.
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    Why are you worried about the Panthers? They're in the NFC.
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    Yeah, worrying about how to beat them consistently would be a very good thing :)
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    I think that if Maroney and Addai were both there when the Colts picked, they still may have taken Addai. The knock on Maroney is he is only a runner, not a receiver or blocker. Addai fits into the Colts offense much better with his receiving and pass blocking. Just my 2 cents.
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    Very erroneous analysis. Maroney is a better blocker than Addai, and while he's not as good as Addai out of the backfield, he's very good. Maroney reminds me the most of Edge out of any RB drafting since Edge.

    That being said, I think the theory that the Patriots used a first round pick to deny a player to another team is ridiculous.
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    Dungy was on 1510thezone this morning. He pretty much admitted, in not so many words, that Addai was their 3rd choice. He said they considered trading up to 20, but decided the difference in RBs wasn't that big.

    Maroney is clearly the perfect RB for the Colts because he ran the stretch play at Minnesota. He would have ended up in Denver had they not traded up for Cutler.

    I'm sure BB didn't take Maroney just to spite the Colts, but I'm sure he knew exactly who was interested in the guy. Addai might be comparable to the Edge of today, but Maroney is more comparable to the young Edge who had more juke and speed.
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    BB picked Maroney for the Pats not to stop the Colts

    There's no way BB picks Maroney just to stop him from going to the Colts, although I'm sure as an afterthought, it was a plus.
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    I'm not the only one that feels that way...

    Fox Sports says...
    What a really good day 1 for Bill Polian and the Colts. We chatted with Polian during the radio broadcast, and he raved about Joseph Addai's hard-nosed style. He is a skilled pass protector, a tough runner, and has good hands, all of which are very important in the Colts scheme.

    On Maroney..
    Negatives: Bit undersized and does not have the lower body power to break tackles when running into traffic...Lacks the push needed to move the pile, but is too undersized to gain too much positive yardage between the tackles...Lacks a feel for route running and is not fluid trying to adjust to the off-target throws...Lets the ball absorb into his body rather than pluck and extend to catch the ball...Non-factor as a blocker, as he does not show aggression stepping up vs. the blitz and just seems to go through the motions when asked to locate and neutralize the linebackers in the second level.

    Sportsline...
    Addai is a very quick and agile runner with the feet to make sharp cuts and can bounce inside runs outside when the middle is clogged up. Has very good vision and instincts, and really shows patience following his blockers and cutting sharply off their blocks. Has good hands catching passes out of the backfield and can make sharp cuts in the open field, which makes him a good open-field runner. Has the strength and balance to keep his feet when taking hard hits. Does a good job of pass blocking -- can cut block or block upright, and is effective doing both.

    Maroney does not run aggressively on every snap, which limits his production. When there is no hole he tends to slow up, turns back and goes down easily. Too often he runs upright, does not attack the small hole and does not run aggressively on every carry. When he does not run aggressively, he does not break tackles and struggles to consistently gain yards after contact. He is not an elusive make-you-miss runner. He has a quick burst through the hole, but lacks the explosiveness through the hole and does not have the elite speed to run away from defenses. He is not a consistently productive pass blocker because he does not always step up and pick up blitzers aggressively.

    I've seen several other places mentioning the same type of things, but I figured these two made the point.
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    Yeah...you made your point alright...it's right there on top of your head.

    Poor Patriots got a RB that ran 47 times in one game, put up 170 plus on Ohio State with THEIR 5 high draft picks in this year's draft, and averaged 5.6 yards a game...you PayMeTons idiots always try the same crap...Polian is an idiot, your QB is the most overated POS in NFL history and Colts fans are the worst homeristic goobers in the entire country
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