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    Not a bad mock. I'm still not high on Beason but I can live with it if the Patroits take him.

    But, I have no problem with the others as far as players. I think both Bishop and Hughes are too low. Maybe DeOssie too.
     
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    It seems like Beason kind of came out of nowhere. Granted, I don't follow college football very closely but a little while ago he wasn't even in the first round discussion and now some have him rated as the number 2 LB in the draft.
     
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    Sign me up for that thing. I'm not a huge fan of Hughes but at the end of the 3rd round, I'd be very happy with him.

    NUT - I'm not sure why you want to trade up for Willis but not sit tight for Beason, there's not that much of a size different and Beason is an explosive hitter.
     
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    He is also played in the Miami two-gap D. Even though they run a 4-3, the front 7 have had a relatively easy time transitioning to a 3-4 in the past 5-10 years.
     
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    My favorite part is the throwaway at the bottom:

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    Mayock now has him #1. Willis who?
     
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    It is this simple. ILB has been a position that the Patriots has not been able to solidify since TJ's retirement. Willis is the most complete ILB out there. He has all the qualities that the Patriots look for in a player and has a big upside.

    It's one of the most important positons on the defense. This team does not have many critical needs but this is one. Why not fill it with the best?

    Having said that, I would not go up any further to get him than #11 to get him plus a third rounder. I think Beason could be good as well as Harris or Bradley. But, Willis is a close to a sure thing that you can get and we will have him for 6 years.
     
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    I believe Kiper does as well.
     
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    Who is Mayock and what the hell does he know about Bill Polian?
     
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    NFL Network draft analyst, he hangs out at NFL Films in Joisey and watches coach's tape for fun.
     
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    a lot of people come out of nowhere..

    Russell came otu of nowhere to be #1 guy.

    Timmons came out of nowhere

    Houston, Ross,

    some people arent expected to come out and do and they have the talent. beason is a great player..sideline to sideline..hard hitter.
     
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    Absolutely. It does happen. And the more I hear about Beason the more I like him.
     
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    If we ended up with that Mock, I wouldn't be complaining too much.

    I don't like the Walker pick or the Robinson one. I'd rather the Pats take Chris Davis instead of Robinson. Robinson = Bethel Johnson.

    I have a hard time when someone says the following: "Bishop is that big, physical linebacker the Patriots haven’t had since Ted Johnson retired." I guess they forgot about Seau. Also, how is Bishop at 239 lbs. equal to Ted Johnson and his 260 lbs?
     
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    I don't see how you equate Ryne Robinson w/ Bethel. RR was super productive (albeit in a small school), where Bethel was just always about potential. The only thing I see that that they have in common is their return skills. IMM RRobinson in the 6th> Bethel in the 2nd just in terms of value. I love Chris Davis, but he rates as a second rounder, and I don't see any way that he lasts until pick 91.
     
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    Cousins,
    A three round draft for fun. I did put some thought in it. Hated to see some players go not to the Pats. Thoughts?

    ROUND 1

    1) Oakland - QB JaMarcus Russell (LSU): NO CHOICE HERE. NO QB THERE.

    2) *Atlanta - WR Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech): A NON-DROPPER. AMAZING. AND A GA LOCAL.

    3) Cleveland - QB Brady Quinn (Notre Dame): A FRANCHISE QB TO DEVELOP.GETS ROMEO TIME

    4) Tampa Bay - DT Amobi Okoye (Louisville): HOVAN IS OLDER. NEED ANOTHER SAPP TYPE.

    5) Arizona - DE Gaines Adams (Clemson): BEST AVAILABLE DEFENSIVE DUDE. DEFENSE?

    6) Washington - DE Jamaal Anderson (Arkansas):SKINS WERE 32 IN SACKS. CAN DAN RUSH?

    7) Minnesota - DE Adam Carriker (Nebraska): LITTLE HIGH? NOT REALLY. CAN BE A DE/DT.

    8) * Detroit - OT Joe Thomas (Wisconsin): FINALLY A WISE DRAFT DAY MOVE.

    9) Miami - OT Levi Brown (Penn State): NEEDED O-LINE UPGRADE. WHY NOT.

    10) *Houston - RB Adrian Peterson (Oklahoma): REGGIE WHERE ART THOU. ANTI-CASSERLIE PIC

    11) San Francisco - WR Ted Ginn Jr. (Ohio State): THIS YEARS HESTER TO GO WITH V. DAVIS

    12) Buffalo - CB Leon Hall (Michigan): A NEED WITH CLEMMENT GONE. NICE YOUNG DB CORE

    13) St. Louis - DT Alan Branch (Michigan): NEED A D-LINEMAN-BRANCH IS ALMOST 2 OF THEM

    14) Carolina - S LaRon Landry (LSU): LOOKY HERE! FOX GETS LUCKY.

    15) Pittsburgh - CB Darrelle Revis (Pittsburgh): LOCAL KID MAKES GOOD. NO HAIR, TROY!

    16) Green Bay - RB Marshawn Lynch (California): NOW THIS ALMOST MAKES SENSE GB.

    17) Jacksonville - S Reggie Nelson (Florida): LOCAL KID MAKES GOOD #2. DARIUS PROTÉGÉ’.

    18) Cincinnati - CB Chris Houston (Arkansas): ARMS UP AND SPREAD’EM MEANS COVER TO HIM

    19) Tennessee - WR Robert Meachem (Tennessee): LOCAL KID MAKES GOOD #3. TALENT FOR VY.

    20) NY Giants - LB Paul Posluszny (Penn State): SMART PLAYER. NEVER CALLED OUT JOE-PA

    21) Denver - DE Anthony Spencer (Purdue): NOT AN UNREALISTIC PIC ON MOST BOARDS

    22) Dallas - S Brandon Meriweather (Miami, FL): R. WILLIAMS HAS SOME BACK-UP, ARMED TOO

    23) Kansas City - WR Dwayne Bowe (LSU): A REAL WR GOING TO KC AS TRENT LEAVES?

    24) *New England - LB Patrick Willis (Mississippi): A LITTLE LUCK, BUT 2007 SO FAR SO GOOD.

    25) NY Jets - TE Greg Olsen (Miami, FL): HE AND WILLIS WILL BE JOSTING FOR 10 YRS.

    26) Philadelphia - DE Jarvis Moss (Florida): IF JEVON HAS ANYTHING LEFT, THIS KID HELPS

    27) New Orleans - CB Aaron Ross (Texas): LIKE THE PIC.THE SAINTS ARE STOCKPILING TALENT

    28) New England - S Michael Griffin (Texas): BETTER THAN MOST THINK. HAS BB ST TOOLS.

    29) Baltimore - LB Lawrence Timmons (Florida State): ANOTHER A. THOMAS IN THE MAKING?

    30) San Diego - WR Dwayne Jarrett (USC): HELPS GATES, LT & RIVERS. NOT A STIFF. STARTS.

    31) Chicago - OT Joe Staley (Central Michigan): HIS NAME EVEN REEKS CHICAGO BEARS.

    32) Indianapolis - DT Justin Harrell (Tennessee): A D-LINE GUY BIGGER THAN PEYTON?.

    ROUND 2

    33) Oakland - OT Arron Sears (Tennessee):

    34) Detroit - LB David Harris (Michigan):

    35) Tampa Bay - WR Steve Smith (USC):

    36) Cleveland - DE Charles Johnson (Georgia):

    37) *Chicago - TE Zach Miller (Arizona State):

    38) Arizona - CB Marcus McCauley (Fresno State):

    39) *Atlanta - DE Victor Abiamiri (Notre Dame):

    40) Miami - DE Tim Crowder (Texas):

    41) Minnesota - WR Anthony Gonzalez (Ohio State):

    42) San Francisco - CB Eric Wright (UNLV):

    43) Buffalo - LB Jon Beason (Miami, FL):

    44) * Detroit - QB Drew Stanton (Michigan State):

    45) Carolina - TE Ben Patrick (Delaware):

    46) Pittsburgh - LB Brandon Siler (Florida):

    47) Green Bay - WR Sidney Rice (South Carolina):

    48) Jacksonville – QB John Beck (BYU)

    49) Cincinnati - DT Brandon Mebane (California):

    50) Tennessee - C Ryan Kalil (USC):

    51) NY Giants - WR Craig Davis (LSU):

    52) St. Louis - FB Brian Leonard (Rutgers):

    53) Dallas - OG Justin Blalock (Texas):

    54) Kansas City - OT Tony Ugoh (Arkansas):

    55) Seattle - S Aaron Rouse (Virginia Tech):

    56) Denver - CB Daymeion Hughes (California):

    57) Philadelphia - OT James Marten (Boston College):

    58) New Orleans - DE Quentin Moses (Georgia):

    59) NY Jets - DT Ryan McBean (Oklahoma State):

    60) *Miami - DT DeMarcus Tyler (N.C. State):

    61) Baltimore - CB Tanard Jackson (Syracuse):

    62) San Diego - OG Ben Grubbs (Auburn):

    63) *NY Jets - CB Josh Wilson (Maryland):

    64) Indianapolis - RB Antonio Pittman (Ohio State):

    ROUND 3

    65) Oakland - TE Scott Chandler (Iowa):

    66) Detroit - DE Dan Bazuin (Central Michigan):

    67) Cleveland - S Eric Weddle (Utah):

    68) Tampa Bay - DE Alama-Francis (Hawaii):

    69) Arizona - OT Ryan Harris (Notre Dame):

    70) *Denver - S Sabby Piscitelli (Oregon State):

    71) Miami - LB Buster Davis (Florida State):

    72) Minnesota - CB Jonathan Wade (Tennessee):

    73) Houston - RB Tony Hunt (Penn State):

    74) Buffalo - DT Turk McBride (Tennessee):

    75) Atlanta – S Michael Johnson (Arizona)

    76) San Francisco - LB Justin Durant (Hampton):

    77) Pittsburgh - RB Michael Bush (Louisville):

    78) Green Bay - S John Wendling (Wyoming):.

    79) Jacksonville - WR Aundre Allison (East Carolina):

    80) Tennessee - DE Abiamiri (Notre Dame):

    81) NY Giants - CB David Irons (Auburn):

    82) St. Louis - LB Rufus Alexander (Oklahoma):

    83) Carolina - OT Doug Free (Northern Illinois):

    84) Kansas City - DT Marcus Thomas (Florida):

    85) Seattle - OG Josh Beekman (Boston College):

    86) Denver - WR Jason Hill (Washington State):

    87) Dallas - CB Fred Bennett (South Carolina):

    88) New Orleans - OG Marshal Yanda (Iowa):

    89) NY Jets - DE Ray McDonald (Florida):

    90) Philadelphia - DT Kareem Brown (Miami, FL):

    91) New England – LB/DE LaMarr Woodley (Michigan):

    92) *Buffalo – TE Clark Harris (Rutgers)

    93) San Diego - DT Paul Soliai (Utah):

    94) Chicago - DT Quinn Pit**** (Ohio State):

    95) Indianapolis - CB Tarrell Brown (Texas):

    96) San Diego – LB-Stewart Bradley (Nebraska)

    97) San Francisco - DE Brian Robison (Texas):

    98) Indianapolis - QB Troy Smith (Ohio State):

    99) Oakland - DT Jay Alford (Penn State):

    DW Toys
     
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    OPPS SORRY I FORGOT. THE FALCONS MOVE UP TO #2 FOR CJ AND GIVE DETROIT THEIR #44 IN 2nd.
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    I'm not sure what the fascination with Jon Beason is. I don't think he looks like any LB the Pats have ever had, or that will even fit with the Pats.

    True, the Pats take guys they like that don't fit anywhere (Klecko), but gambling in round one isn't the same as taking a fourth round flyer with a guy like Klecko.

    Can Beason play safely? Like Don Davis?

    Still, the first round is the wrong place to take on a project like that.
     
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    Bethel wasn't always about potential. At the time Bethel left A&M he was the school record holder in receptions and yards.

    Maybe I am not giving Robinson enough credit and he can run better routes than Bethel. But, I'd rather take Chris Davis than Robinson.



    Also, you are getting your Davis' mixed up. Craig Davis from LSU rates as a 2nd rounder. Chris Davis from Florida State rates as a 4th/5th rounder.
     
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    Space -
    Beason is built very similarly to Tedy Bruschi. Bruschi is maybe a half inch taller than Beason. Maybe. And Bruschi, though he at 255 right after his stroke, has been playing in the 245 range. That's only 8 lbs more than Beason weighed in at the Combine.

    I am not high on Beason, but to say that he's not built like anybody the Pats have ever had is just plain wrong.

    As others have pointed out, though Miami plays the 4-3, they play a 2 gab version of it. And that is what allowed Wilfork to make the transition easier. Also, there have been comparisons of Beason to Vilma. And we all know that the Pats tried to trade up to get Vilma. As the WILB, Beason could be Tedy Bruschi Redux.
     
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