Seymour93
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I suppose if he survives past the next 2 or 3 years he may become a thorn in our side. But that's a big if.....WEEI says the deal is 4/$8M - not enough money or years to give him much clout or cache if gang green starts calling for his head in a year or two. Sounds like a nice kid with very high ideals and aspirations of selfless teamwork in the offices and on the field. Good luck on implementing that strategy in the Meadowlands.
Seymour93 said:He looked very timid and over his head...one must wonder if the NYJ hierarchy hired him solely because of the BB protégé image.
Seymour93 said::ditto:
He looked very timid and over his head...one must wonder if the NYJ hierarchy hired him solely because of the BB protégé image.
AndyJohnson said:I actually think its an excellent hire for the Jests.
If you are in that kind of shape, you need to rebuild. Why not rebuild around the guy with the highest upside?
Mangini has great potential. I expect him to be a very good NFL coach for a very long time.
Sure, he is walking into a hornets nest, but BB didnt exactly exactly walk into a great situation here.
If you are the Jets, and you know the team is coming apart at the seams, and you are now rebuilding almost from scratch, why not hire the coach who has the best long term potential?
This could turn out to be a steal for them. Of course it all hinges on whether anyone in the organization wants to do their job well.
jetsfanri said:A week ago, everyone here was saying how he would never leave NE, Bill would talk him out of it, he has likely been told he is the next HC of the Pats.
Boy, things change in a week, don't they?
No one knows if he is going to good or bad, we'll see over the next few years. But at least keep the story straight...if he was smart enough a week ago to be an "up and comer" worthy one day of the BB throne, than he has a shot at being good in NY.
T-ShirtDynasty said:Yes, one day. I doubt the press and fans will give him that long. Yes he has a shot, but most of us believe that it would have been a better shot at success with a better organization, down the road a bit.
What the hell are you babbling about? Jebus, talk about a wild swing. I said some of us thought Mangini would have a better shot with a better organization, and you come back with a shot at the Patriots organization, trying to back up that deluded notion with talk of our 6th round QB and the Tuck Rule?!?jetsfanri said:Ok....I think this notion of the Pats "Organization" being so incredible is a little overstated. (All the rest of what I'm about to say is just pretty much a bitter, jealous smokescreen) The Pats have had a good run in the last 5 years. During that time, you were fortunate that a 6th round QB became an unqualified star (remember that BB has never won without Brady at the helm), and many breaks went the teams way (tuck rule) that usually help contribute to all championship teams (Saturday in Denver the breaks went the other way). Don't get me wrong, the Pats have been the class of the league for the last 5 years.
The Niners were the organization that everyone wanted to emulate in the 80's, Walsh had a tree just like Parcells and now BB. Now the Niners can't win more than a handful of games. There is no magic formula, things change over time.
Enjoy the run, but remember that at some point, even this organization commited to excellence will be at the bottom of the pile.
jetsfanri said:Ok....I think this notion of the Pats "Organization" being so incredible is a little overstated. The Pats have had a good run in the last 5 years. During that time, you were fortunate that a 6th round QB became an unqualified star (remember that BB has never won without Brady at the helm), and many breaks went the teams way (tuck rule) that usually help contribute to all championship teams (Saturday in Denver the breaks went the other way). Don't get me wrong, the Pats have been the class of the league for the last 5 years.
The Niners were the organization that everyone wanted to emulate in the 80's, Walsh had a tree just like Parcells and now BB. Now the Niners can't win more than a handful of games. There is no magic formula, things change over time.
Enjoy the run, but remember that at some point, even this organization commited to excellence will be at the bottom of the pile.
MoLewisrocks said:I both agree with you and disagree. I think it's almost a year or two early in the game for Mangini anywhere, but in NY I think it will be a disaster. I think he has the potential BB had when he went to Cleveland. Unfortunately, we all know how that ended. And given the culture and the fan base and the media scrutiny and the massive issues facing this franchise, I think the result will be along the same lines. JETS fans and the NY/NJ media will lose patience for a rebuild in a hurry. And he's being teamed with a GM already thought to be in over his head, whose contract expires in another 2 years. Eric will have a very short window in which to save both their jobs, or hope when Bradway goes he's not not sucked out in the backwash.
The situation BB came into here was not nearly as bad as the one he ran screaming from (the JETS). Here he got full control, his own personnel guru in Pioli, and a committed owner who hired him because of his personal knowledge of and respect for BB. All Woody Johnson knows is this kid is a BB protogee, his team in is shambles, the alternative was apparently down to Tice.
He's on NFL Network right now and god, he looks so young and babyfaced. I shudder to think what he may look like in a year or two. Schefter says he may poach Davidson from RAC (LOL) and Ryan may be available in a few weeks when his contract expires. Apparently they wanted to keep Heimerdinger but he said declined. And the DC (who interviewed) and ST coach have also indicated they have no interest in remaining.