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  1. Nordberg

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    Tomase was no Felger's show today...and said that someone close to Samuel expects him to be in Camp after two weeks. Good news if this is true.:)
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    Re: Expect Samuel in camp

    I think the Herald reported this last weekend, just before the franchise tag deadline.
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    I hope so...
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    Thanks for the heads up.. But I would feel better if it came from Reiss..
    At least it didn't come from Felger.. Has he cracked a story that has ever come true? I still remember him reporting a contract with Ted Washington.. After the fact is wasn't going to happen..
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    Some of you guys are amazingly tough on Tomase. The guy hustles his ass off, gets exclusives as much as, if not more than, Reiss (fan boys just don't always LIKE what exclusives he reports) and yet somehow, every time, Tomse's met with skepticism.

    Remember how so many here claimed Tomase was wrong about Bruschi's (and Hobbs's) schaphoid bone?
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    I like Tomase myself although I know many don't.

    Regarding Samuel - whatever, as long as he's in camp, in shape and playing hard by opening day all is good.
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    If the Pats can get Asante into camp by the time the season starts, play the season with him, TAG HIM AGAIN and then deal him for #1, that'd be an amazingly good outcome.
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    I'd take that scenario with a #2 instead of a #1. We could probably do better than a #2 but I'd take that scenario right now.
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    That not really a surprise to me.............. I figured (and have heard it stated here and elsewhere) that that makes the most sense.

    Get to camp after the 2-a-days, but still with plenty of time to get into the scheme of things to angle himsefl into position to have another "contract" year.

    Makes the most sense to me.
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    Agreed...makes sense to me..I HOPE he is in camp..that means he will have plenty of time to get with the team program..I LIKE it. And who knows about next year..
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    i hate how it's never Asante that makes these statements. nevertheless, i guess we can breathe a bit easier when he isn't there this friday
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    I hear ya there......I know when Tomase when first started, I did not like him - solely due to his Red Sox ties.

    I do like his Point After blog that he writes along with Breer and it is another decent source for Pats info.

    He's OK in my book, for whatever that's worth. This coming from a guy who thinks Reiss is A #1.
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    Tomases is OK..sometimes better sometimes unfortunatley MUCH worse..much better than I thought he would be OR how he was when he started out..
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    does everyone love reiss??
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    I'll take whatever BB feels is appropriate should it come to that. The important thing is that I'd support BB 100% if, Samuel held out into the season this year, to make an example of him by Tagging him next year and NOT trading him at all - letting him holdout again if he so chose.

    Ideally I don't want disgruntled players on the team - but Samuel and all players need to recognize that they need to honor their contracts (i.e. Branch) and accept that the CBA allows them to be tagged.

    Holding out to force a trade and a big payday sets a bad precedent in my eyes - and I'd be willing to forgoe a trade to make clear to every player what can happen if they choose such a route.

    Meanwhile I'd fully accept any quiet behind the scenes agreement that saw the team agree not to tag Samuel next year in return for a full camp and full season of play this year. Branch made a similar public "demand" but it seems clear to me he didn't want to play out his contract period, and knew that by making the demand, the team would not agree lest they be perceived as giving into a demand. (And of course, its doubtful the team would have wanted to tag Branch again this year anyway)

    So put me on record as welcoming Samuel back with a standing ovation for his play in last year's 2nd half of the season - but on record as supporting BB making an example of him should he decide he wants to play hardball.
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    Yes - he works hard, is reliable, knows his sports and this team. Seems like the organization trusts him and that trust was earned.
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    ye. he's brilliant imo.
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    It all depends on the outcome of the 2007 season:

    A. Asante proves that 2006 was not a fluke or
    B. Asante proves that 2006 WAS a fluke.
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    Tomase's a very good feature writer and much less of an ambulance chaser than before.

    Unfortunately, he still annoys BB and BB isn't going to be candid with reporters who keep asking him questions after he says that's all he has to say on a subject.

    As far as Asante goes, that info is from him or his agents, so Tomase is probably the hardest worker at those types of sources.
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    I doubt it...remember he according to *** he is going to file a grievence. Just wait his sources are never wrong...or is that ever right??
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    That'd be perfect for the '09' Draft so we could have 3rd year with two 1st rd. picks. I'd be down with that.
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    THAT is the big question...the reason why a NE long term deal was out of AS's ballpark... the fact is that Samuel believes A strongly..but with only basically 11 games of this strong play, who knows if that will really continue...which is why the tag is a good idea. The fact that he is pushing more and more for a big deal NOW leads me to think more B, but if he reports within reason so he can have a full season, I really am not sure. And if he continues with more strong play, franchise and trade OR some similar thing...his value with a strong season will be quite high..
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    I think Tomase has earned a break. Over the past 12 months his work has been consistenly good; he has broken news and added a lot of insight. He's still prone to follow Borges and Felger down the path once in a while, but bearing in mind the paper he writes for, that's kind of inevitable every now and again.
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    Yeah, well. If Tomase really knew the fans he'd lurk on the bulletin boards under a psuedonym.

    :rocker:

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    I disagree with the "consistent" remark...better than he first was, but once in awhile he shows the novice football writer making dumb remarks..yes, he also HAS broken stories, but onvce he eliminates ANY Borges/Felger style dumb sayings, he will have earned that.
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    He cannot as long as he is a frequent guest on Felgers show and found to be around Borges when he is guest hosting.

    The brotherhood of the writers are very protective of each other and like a disease gone wild, they mutate their germs via the poison ink in thier pens and brains.

    Reiss has managed to avoid these germs and this disease, Curran had to leave Pro Jo in order to stay unbiased (Borges, Mannix & Cafardo were the first to contract the germ which came to them via Red Sox nation, now it is Borges & Felger).
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    Very true..and when Tomase goes into it and acts stupid..says dumb things...and does NOT go against thr grain of the bozos...he falls into the trap. Usually teh writing is better..but again..sometimes not. Reiss has basically been away from all that drama..which makes him a cut above.
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    The trust was earned? More like bought and paid for with editorial discretion.

    Don't get me wrong: I like Reiss a lot. His blog is a vital resource for Pats fans, he is a diligent worker, a fine writer, and a great line of communication between the team and the fans. What's more, he's generous enough with his time to privately answer most questions fans email to him, whether he's going to include them in a mailbag or not.

    If Reiss were an employee of Patriots.com or Patriots Football Weekly, I would be his biggest fan. Since, however, it is the Boston Globe that pays his checks, I'm made somewhat uncomfortable by the line being blurred by his defferance to the team's interests over those of his readers.
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    Hear, hear. Tomase's improved by leaps and bounds in his football savvy since getting the beat and has broken a number of stories. He's become a really valuable resource, an alternate voice beside Reiss as the (also valuable) most-favored voice of the Patriots brass. He has less access but is more candid. I'll take 'em both.
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    Au contraire, I see Reiss as addressing MY fan interests. He gives me access to info I'd not otherwise have, especially on a timely basis. Even better, he has a high SNR (signal-to-noise ratio). By that I mean that in contrast to Felger, et. al. there's less false info and editorial noise BS swamping out the clear signal of information. I don't need to filter through tons of crap, making judgements and discarding tripe to find the few gems, only to wonder if they are true or part of a controversey seeking personal agenda.

    I believe that Tomase is growing as a football reporter.
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