Welcome to PatsFans.com

Curran lists 3 Patriot teams as worst teams ever in Super Bowl

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Lloyd_Christmas, Jan 21, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Lloyd_Christmas

    Lloyd_Christmas I can delete my own crap! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    1,418
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    I love how Tom Curran lists the 1985, 1996, and 2001 Patriots among the worst teams to ever go to a Super Bowl, yet leaves out the Ravens (2000?) that had ZERO offense and NONE of the Buffalo teams that lost 4 Super Bowls in a row. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

    I know I'm biased, but I'd say it was a pretty crappy article:

    The worst teams in Super Bowl history
     
  2. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    21,595
    Likes Received:
    575
    Ratings:
    +1,531 / 19 / -8

    #3 Jersey

    It sounds like the Kool-Aid is wearing off. :(
     
  3. ScottieC

    ScottieC In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,025
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    He's really endearing himself to Patriot fans. Perhaps he's lobbying for a job at ESPN.
     
  4. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    10,018
    Likes Received:
    93
    Ratings:
    +320 / 4 / -1

    The 2001 Patriots might've seemed like an underdog at the time, but in hindsight, you have a guy on each side of the ball playing their first season as a starter who will ultimately reveal themselves to be a franchise player (Brady & Seymour). Not to mention you have one of the best corners of all time in Law. You have some great, underrated (at the time) LBs, Vrabel, Bruschi, Johnson. You got Willie Mac of course.

    That 01 group is considered a cast of no names in some sense, but really, the only unit on that squad that was no names to some extent was the receivers beyond Brown. And Brady and Weis made up for that.

    Patriots Players Roster 2001
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  5. billdog3484

    billdog3484 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    Messages:
    2,167
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +10 / 0 / -0

    ive said it before and i guess i have to say it again. Curran is clearly against the pats. id say for every positive article about us, there are at least 3 negatives
     
  6. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,922
    Likes Received:
    286
    Ratings:
    +778 / 17 / -23

    #24 Jersey

    '85 is tough to disagree with and you can make an argument for '96. But not '01. People forget we were the #2 seed in the AFC that year.

    Curran has clearly gone to the dark side; too bad.
     
  7. ScottieC

    ScottieC In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,025
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    Yea, I don't know how you call them one of the worst of all time knowing what you know now about Brady. If you are going purely by record, than OK - That's not a good way to do it, but whatever. But to say that they are one of the worst with a guy at QB that will probably be regarded as the best of all time is..........well......just stupid.
     
  8. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    10,018
    Likes Received:
    93
    Ratings:
    +320 / 4 / -1

    Not to mention that the team was 0-2 without Brady. It went 11-3 the rest of the regular season and then 3-0 in the playoffs. That's 14-3 with Brady. Those 3 losses are the same amount of losses the Rams finished the season with.
     
  9. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,922
    Likes Received:
    286
    Ratings:
    +778 / 17 / -23

    #24 Jersey

    Yeah, Hall of Fame QB and Hall of Fame Coach do not make one of the worst SB teams ever.
     
  10. Richter

    Richter In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,109
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    The '96 team was more talented than the '01 squad outside of the QB position. They were the #2 seed as well, and hosted the AFC Championship game because the Jaguars were kind enough to have upset the Broncos. That '96 squad was thought of as a team that was up and coming, and arrived a year early. Curtis Martin, Ben Coates, Bruce Armstrong, Terry Glenn at his peak, Shawn Jefferson and Dave Meggett on offense, Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Willie Clay, Willie McGinest, Chris Slade and Ted Johnson on defense, along with a young Tedy Bruschi and Troy Brown. Not to mention guys like Sam Gash, Keith Byars and Todd Collins. The only thing that kept them from winning the Superbowl was Parcells idiot decision to throw the game by kicking to Desmond Howard, and Max "Turnstile" Lane. The '85 team I agree with, but including '96 and '01 is insane, especially '01 - at the time, no one really knew what the Patriots had in terms of talent because so many guys were undervalued. In hindsight, that was a pretty talented team.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  11. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,922
    Likes Received:
    286
    Ratings:
    +778 / 17 / -23

    #24 Jersey

    You're probably right. I have a sour taste in my mouth about '96 in terms of the Broncos destroying the Patriots in the regular season and my assumption they would have done the same in the playoffs had they matched up. Whereas the '01 team did have to do to Pittsburgh and beat the #1 seed head to head.
     
  12. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    44,412
    Likes Received:
    1,040
    Ratings:
    +3,855 / 191 / -145

    Disable Jersey

    It's just a space filler of an article. There's really no need to get into a state over it. He doesn't even have the 2005 Steelers team on his list.
     
  13. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,922
    Likes Received:
    286
    Ratings:
    +778 / 17 / -23

    #24 Jersey

    Or the 2005 Seahawks. As I have said before, Curran is a nice guy but way over his head on the national stage.
     
  14. Richter

    Richter In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,109
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    I'll fully admit I was terrified of those Broncos teams and was more than happy to see them go out early and get out of the Patriots way. Terrell Davis was a force of nature through those championship years, he'd bust off 20 yard runs like it was nothing. It was bizarre to me that the Broncos were considered the underdog against Green Bay the next year, when they were clearly the better team. Yeah, Green Bay was the defending champion, but by that point the balance of power had shifted and the AFC was the better conference, and what they were doing in the NFC wasn't as impressive. Plus, they had Brett Favre, which is a recipe for playoff doom unless you have Desmond Howard returning kicks.
     
  15. Richter

    Richter In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,109
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    What about the '80 Eagles (better record than their talent), the Ickey Woods Bengals, the 2000 Giants or either of the Superbowl V teams? Terrible article in general.
     
  16. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,321
    Likes Received:
    1,401
    Ratings:
    +3,998 / 42 / -15

    Ummm.... How can you include the 2001 Patriots and not the 2006 Colts. The 2006 Colts had the statistically worst run defense in league history. The AFC South was a joke that year too (the next best record in the division was 8-8). At least in 2001, the AFC East had three playoff teams. Everyone expected that Colts team to be one and done with Larry Johnson supposed to have a field day running all over them.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  17. Patriotic Fervor

    Patriotic Fervor Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    1,424
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    Well, for the benefit of Mr. Curran, let's step into the Wayback Machine (on loan from Mr. Peabody!) and refresh his memory a bit....

    In '85, of course, they ran into the buzz saw that was the Chicago Bears. Except for the Dolphins game that season, they bullied everybody. But I do remember reading that year about scouts on other teams telling their guys at the start of the season that the Patriots had the talent to go to the Super Bowl. Whether or not they did was another matter entirely.

    Given the season the Bears had, would it have mattered who played them in the Super Bowl? And would Mr. Curran have then substituted whoever did play them that year into his "Worst List"?

    Let's not forget, too, that the Pats were leading that game 3-0 when Lin Dawson got hurt and left the game. Now, I'm not saying the game hinged on that, or that in the end it would have made a difference, but a good blocking tight end like Dawson would have helped against that "46" defense.

    If I recall correctly, the two teams played again the following year, when Dawson was healthy, Flutie was QBing, and McMahon was knocked out of the game. The Pats won that one going away.

    In '96, if Desmond Howard does not not make that return TD (i.e., Hason Graham actually tackles him), I can see the Pats winning that game, and I'm not the first guy to say that, either. That wasn't a bad Patriots team, and I'm a little surprised he's added that one to the list.

    He (Curran) goes on to remind us that "the Broncos were knocking Denver from the playoffs", which was an interesting revelation.

    Many of you have more than adequately covered the '01 team and it's many facets, but I just want to add that when the Pats squared off against the Rams earlier that season, if Antowaine Smith Doesn't fumble at the goal line at the end of the first half, and instead scores, I like their chances to win that game. Remember, too, that after that game, the following week the Rams lost to Tampa Bay, which was their last loss that season until the Super Bowl.

    That '01 defense was a roughneck squad that would have gladdened any defensive coordinator's heart, and that team was the foundation stone of the current dynasty. Curious, too, that Mr. Curran would add that one.

    In fact, it's still curious that Curran even has a public forum these days for tripe like this that is pawned off on the rest of under the guise of "journalism" and "analysis".

    What's even more interesting is that he is writing for something called "Arkansas Matters". Maybe these were the only guys that would publish this pap.

    Before leaving the subject, why does he say these teams he lists are the worst "ever", and then tell us it's since 1985? Why'd he use that date? I though the Super Bowl started in 1966?!? What about those Bronco teams that regularly got their asses handed to them? What about some of those Viking teams? Surely a little more depth would have promoted some degree of knowledgeableness and persuasiveness?!?

    Or is it just me?

    This whole thing has forced me to drink another cup of coffee....
     
  18. AFPatsFan12

    AFPatsFan12 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    546
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    "Hey, look at me!! I wrote a controversial list as a column!! Debate it! Argue about it!! Link to me!! Send this article to all your friends and look at the crazy stuff I said!!!"

    If half the columnists out there just slapped this line at the top of their work...
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  19. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,321
    Likes Received:
    1,401
    Ratings:
    +3,998 / 42 / -15

    I swear since Curran had been disputed by the rest of the media and Patriots fans over his Brady story, the guy seems to have gone a bit off the deep end. He seems to have taken this very personally and has allowed it to affect his objectivity when it comes to the Pats.
     
  20. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    13,594
    Likes Received:
    266
    Ratings:
    +795 / 1 / -3

    Curran's really been on a roll the last few weeks. Did somebody in the Pats FO bed his wife, or take a dump on his front lawn? Based on the inclusion of three Patriot teams ('01 Pats?) and some of the comments ('beat New England to a pulp') he is either pandering to the national audience of a year ago (Pats haters) or he's got a huge chip on his shoulder for some reason and has an axe to grind over some perceived slight. The one column isn't all that bad, but when you look at all his work over the last month or two, there's something going on.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>