Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by patsfan822006, Jan 15, 2007.
i hope that we pay these guys because they make plays when it counts!!!!!!!
Look, we all want to keep them but we won't overpay. Many people said the same thing about The Twig back in August.
BB will do what's best for the football team and I'm sure they'll be in the position to compete for a championship.
24th pick in the draft seems like a sweet spot for our next tight end...
why would they waste the 24th pick on another tight end, they have dave Thomas and Garrett Mills on the bench!!
In BB I trust, but I really hope he decides to do all he can to keep Graham and Samuel. We haven't had a top flight CB since Law, and what a difference it makes. And how many times as Graham saved Brady's butt? Those two guys are tremendous talents who would be hard to replace.
I can't see the Pats keeping either. It angers me to say that though. Samuel is turning into a top ten CB and Graham is the best blocking TE in football, but besides Thomas, our TE's seem to have butterfingers. Too many drops by Graham for my liking, which is weird, because he won the John Mackey award in college for best TE, and was known way more for his receiving, than his blocking. If I had to choose between the 2, I rather keep Samuel, our secondary is far from a strength. For some reason, like Branch, Givens, Vinatiari & McGinest, I think we will see Graham & Samuel in opposing uniforms, and I'm not happy about that. I would pretty much bet the farm that we will see Samuel in Jet green (Yuck !!) next year, and wouldn't be suprised to see Graham go home to Colorado.
We should pay Samuel for certain...depends on how much it takes to sign Graham.
Samuel is hitting his prime and I think he'll get even better. Ty Law was great in '96 and '97, but really blossomed in '98, his 4th year. This was Samuel's 4th year. Since only 5 guys on offense can catch the ball, having one guy on D able to eliminate one of those 5 by himself is a commodity worth paying for. This is why top corners get top dollars. Samuel shouldn't be looked at as a Deion Branch who depends heavily on the QB throwing him the ball. Samuel can be "left on an island", relying on his skill to shut down a weapon of the opposition all by himself. Like Brady and Seymour, I hope the Pats shell out the bucks for Samuel.
Amen. I'd love to see us turn the tide on this problem with these 2 guys. Graham came up huge yesterday, and Samuel has just blossomed into a shutdown top 10 corner.
turn the tide on what problem?
the hallmark of success in the 'salary cap era' mandates an appreciation for the ebb and flow of talent
Just look to Ty Law in 2000 and Seymour in 2005, BB will pay top dollar for top defensive talent. If he feels Asante is really a top 10 CB, then he will pay Asante top 10 CB money. If not, he will find a suitable substitute.
I was joking about the tight end draft. Here's my serious stuff:
Part A. Replacing Graham, one of the best blocking tight ends in the NFL:
#1 Tight End Ben Watson, runs like a man 50 lbs lighter than he is. Also blocks like one too, but that can be taught, and he's certainly smart enough to learn. Strong, but doesn't have soft hands.
#2 Tight End David Thomas, we all know he can catch, but can he block? Box seems to really like this part of his game. Not quite the physical talent Graham is, but he might be ready for extensive playing time in the two tight end offense.
#3 "Tight End" Garrett Mills, is really more of an H-back. Heath Evans sized. Hasn't played this year, but like Watson in our offense, at Tulsa he never stayed in to block, was always running downfield. Had something like 89 catches in 11 games his senior year. He is the anti-Graham.
#4 Matt Kranchick has been absconded to our practice squad. He is tall as a flag pole and a former wide receiver. Obviously you'd expect his blocking needs work. If there's one thing the Pats can do, it's take willing players and make them into good blockers.
#5 Rod Trafford was healthy for two days and then succumbed to the injury bug, demonstrating the existence of something called the "Practice Squad Injury Reserve List." Who is this guy? No one knows. The Pats liked him enough in those two days not to send him on his way with an injury settlement, a la O.J. Santiago. Either that or he simply refuses to leave. If so he's a smart player.
#6 Mike Vrabel, is on the depth chart for his goal line work. However we can't really count on him at another position. Quality depth.
Opinion: If they can teach some (one?) of these guys to block ferociously, the Pats have enough talent here to duplicate their historical production from the position.
Part B. Replacing Asante Samuel, league-wide leader in interceptions:
#1 Ellis Hobbs, is not appreciably smaller than Asante Samuel, has better overall athleticism, and to comparable points in their careers has been more impressive, been asked to do more. Almost always in close coverage, hampered by a bad hand. Give him two good hands next year and he'll have six picks easy. Not as good in run support, but good enough. Like Samuel, hits hard.
#2 Randall Gay, the forgotten corner, hopefully hasn't fallen apart like Guss Scott did from injuries. Hopefully will also stay healthy for a full year. Has started and played well at two positions on this team, especially corner. Tackles well enough to have started at safety. Essentially the way the team feels about him dictates what they will do with Samuel, because there isn't much behind him.
Chad Scott is a specialized corner/safety, not a full-time starter. How many years does he have left even at that? Ray Mickens is a shadow roster guy next year if anything. Antwan Spann is promising but has not developed enough to be anything above the dime guy. Willie Andrews has the speed for corner, but the hips for safety. Besides the last two hopefuls all we have is Eugene Wilson, who is only an emergency fill-in guy at corner. James Patrick is a small school guy who has been on and off the practice squad. Has a nose for the ball, but what about the rest of his body?
Opinion: Looks to be a lot less here than at tight end. Assuming no injuries (and there will be injuries...) we have a decent starting two.
They'll have to come to a decision on these two guys before the draft, and while this has been complicated by the decision to make Daniel Graham a captain, I think Samuel is the more likely signee or franchise taggee.
no, not top 10 hes good though
Samuel is talented and has been lifting his performance as the season gets longer - just the kind of guy the Pat's like. But someone is going to offer him really silly money and the Pat's just won't go there. I'm talking the $12-15mil bonus range he'll be offered elsewhere. Too bad, I like him but he's a goner for certain.
They will be 30 mil under the cap next year. I don't want to here from Jonathan Kraft that there is no one to spend the money on. Its time to keep this thing going. It does mean they need to resign their own players. I think the Krafts have been tight with the bonus money. The TEAM and the FANS deserve more. Instead of trying to sue Stubbhub and some season ticket holders lets try something novel like spending some cash on your players.
Plus Samuel is a QB
I learned yesterday Samuel was a QB in high school.
Since BB likes versitility why not make him a #3 or #4 QB (emergency)
Even to BB that shoudl be worth something
Try not to sound like a fool. This team plays its players. What this team doesn't do is overpay its players, and that's a good thing. By not overpaying the starters, it allows this team to give players like Jarvis Green good money to stick around as a backup in the rotation.
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