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  1. Uncle Rico

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    Just reading Peter King on the "Lose for Luck" story. Talks about all that's at stake this Sunday for teams at the top of the draft, obviously with Luck as the focus. Some good historical stuff too.

    So anyway he talks to Bill Polian about whether he's discussed the merits of losing this week with his coaches or players ("no conversations whatsoever'' ), and I thought these quotes were interesting:

    "I am proud to be part of an organization and part of a league where players and coaches give 100 percent effort in every game,'' Polian said. "Maybe that's why we're such a popular sport.''
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    "How can you build an organization with a culture of winning and look players in the eye and tell them to give their best effort every day but this one?'' Polian said.

    Ahem. And King doesn't even call him on it.
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    King doesn't call him on it because being a media toady is all about accessibility. Confront and confound a source and you're toast. I have SO little respect for the profession and its practitioners.
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    Maybe i need to read the article. It sounds to me like Polian was saying. We expectthem to give 100% every day, every time. How can we tell them not to give 100% now (or for this last game)?

    Doesn't seem to be sayingthe team shouldn't.

    Even if he did entertain such thoughts or even have those conversations, he would never admit it in the public.
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    He can't admit it, because the league's by-laws, IIRC, require teams to make a good-faith effort to try to win every game.
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    i often dream if i was a famous athlete how much i would endlessly f--k with the media. my god i would drive them nuts. words cant describe how pathetic and unprofessional they are.
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    With the Vikings win last week doesn't that mean the colts have the top pick?
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    The media? Or the teams that will boycott them if they face tough questions?
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    No. Indy and St. louis each have 2 wins. An indy win and a Rams loss. Gives St. Louis the top pick. If they both win, or if they both lose. Indy gets the top pick.
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    Is the hypocrisy from an earlier stance or just this article? I am confused as to what King should have called him on.
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    Technically:

    Resting starters to get them ready for the playoffs, while starting backups who are giving 100% effort, falls under the categories of 'within the rules' and 'trying to win'.

    It's also impossible to prove that any particular personnel decisions (or lack thereof) are made with the intent of sabotaging a team's chances of winning.

    So regardless of whether or not everyone in the country knows a team is 'throwing' a game in practice, it doesn't really matter, because it's not done by telling the players to play poorly. It's simply done by making subtle roster decisions that will lower a team's chances of winning.

    If we needed a name for it, we'd call it "Starting Curtis Painter for 12 weeks of the season", a.k.a. 'plausible deniability'.
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    As ;much as I'd like to take the high road here, can anyone really tell me that in a similar situation down the road and the Pats have a chance to take the next Andrew Luck, they'd want them to "win" the game instead? I don't THINK so. I only hope the Colts win the game, though they'd be crazy to do so. Whether they take the player or keep Manning, that pick will have a lot of value for the Colts. or whomever gets it.
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    Well said. Sports 'journalism' is largely a joke. I sincerely believe any regular poster with a semi command of grammar could replace the 'elite' with little drop off from its current state.

    Unfortunately, hard news journalism often falls within the same quality category as sports journalism.
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    I agree with the pragmatic angle. If we were Brady-less and a cellar dweller, yes I would want to lose the game to land the chance at a franchise QB. Hell, if losing tomorrow meant an easier road to the SB, I'd want their to be an effort by BB to lose the game (albeit subtly). However, that is a different conversation. A journalist should see the inherent contradiction in the interviewee's statements and pursue further statements on the subject.....assuming he wants to do his job.
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    where was the peter king of spygate infamy and his hard hitting interview leaving no stone unturned. oh, that's right, it's the colts.
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    How awesome would it be to have Adam Vinatieri, the greatest clutch kicker in the NFL, in a position to kick "the Luck" away by hitting the winning FG in today's game? :D
    That would be so funny. Oh to be a fly on Bill PoliON's wall....
    Wanna bet some (all) coach on the Indy sideline would instruct the O-line to "let everyone through" once the ball is snapped? Uh huh!
    Hmmm, aren't the Jags in the Colts division? Wouldn't it be to the longterm benefit of the Jags if the Colts failed to get to most highly touted QB prospect in years?? Just sayin'....
    This could be a 0 - 0 game going to overtime. ;)

    Peter is King of the mediot crowd. His opinions are formed by the amount of access and arse kissing he receives.
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    Interesting situation. It will be fun for us if they end up tied. The Rams do not need a rookie quarterback. Rookie-of-the-year Sam Bradford is a splendid QB for the future. They need top-shelf linemen on both sides of the ball. The Rams could threaten to take Luck, but why mess around?

    Luck would go to Indy at #2 anyway, is my guess.

    What a colossal pain in the neck.
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    As you mentioned, they need help on both sides of the line, why not trade the #1 for a few high draft picks. I doubt Luck would fall to the #2 pick.
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    what he said...
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    Do they have to have a meeting for the coaches to understand what a loss means? Once a team is out of the tournament, the remainder of the season is more about 'other things' than the score. Teams at the bottom get to evaluate young talent while improving their situation in the draft. It's the way the system is set up. At the point that the Colts 'lock up' Luck, the fans will be as happy as if they had clinched a playoff berth.

    This thread -- and the article -- is much about nothing.
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    Even if the Rams got the top spot would they take Luck? They just drafted Bradford a couple years ago. And lately there have been questions about how good luck will be in the pros.
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    Were the Lambs to be #1 they should and would trade it for a plethora of picks and build around Bradford. Maybe if he had a decent OC... :)
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    I'd imagine they'd stick with Bradford β€” who was excellent as a rookie β€” and cash in the #1 pick via trade, build their franchise. (Maybe the Colts will trade 2 and 34 :) )
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    Bobby Knight put it best,

    β€œAll of us learn to write in the second grade. Most of us go on to greater things.”
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    Exactly. There are several teams who would trade the house to get Luck, so St. Louis or Indy (if Manning is healthy) are going get a pretty good haul of picks for the #1.

    The Rams will lose today, and, Poilan being the utter slimeball and hypocrite he is, there is no chance in hell that Indy will win today.
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    I think it would be great if the Rams got the #1 pick and used it to pick Luck. The tumult throughout the NFL would be well worth it.
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    Absolutely; would be VERY entertaining. And though he gave Polian a free ride on his quote, King did a nice job in the article reflecting on how little things can affect NFL history.

    "
    Imagine how history would have been changed if the Packers just did what they should have done that day in Tempe and lost. Aikman a Packer. Barry Sanders, most likely, a Cowboy. And who knows what happens with the rest of the draft. But think further. With Aikman, the Packers likely wouldn't have been the pathetic team that hired Ron Wolf late in 1991 to be the GM. And Mike Holmgren likely wouldn't have been hired. And surely Brett Favre wouldn't have arrived in trade early in 1992.
    "
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    Correct.

    There's nothing to call him on - yet. He doesn't have Luck. Yet.

    But there's no question that the depths of the suckiness demonstrated by the Colts this season has led some to question whether they were "sucking on purpose" as it were.

    This happens to take place at a time when the Colts existing, albeit much older, franchise QB is out with a career threatening injury.. with a GM and owner known for working to adapt any and every rule to their favor. So I do believe players could have been quietly instructed that its in their best interest to have a franchise QB for the next 15 years. That's common sense and they all likely know it.

    The only problem is other people, including some in the media have noticed some of that more blatant lack of effort and Poilan's been under much more intense scrutiny about how much effort his players are giving.

    I think its possible that the league has been pressuring Polian regarding the transparent sham and he began to get pressure to win - and to posture as if they'd been trying to win all along - hence the talk of firing Caldwell too - an an actual attempt by the Colts to win a few to make this "look good" for the Commissioner.

    So here we are now - did the Colts lose enough games to get the #1 pick and win enough to make it look like they were trying to win?

    Or is public pressure prompting Polian to cave into PR pressure and pressure his team to win - even if that means losing out on Luck?

    I think the NFL needs a scandal like that like a hole in the head - and Polian's ironically under real pressure to win today. He's hoping he can win and still get Luck I'm sure though.
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    Sorry, just saw this.

    The hypocrisy, IMO, is from Polian's quotes about "giving 100 percent in every game" β€” and how a winning franchise would never do any less ever β€” with the fact that HIS COLTS deliberately threw away a chance at a 16-0 regular season in '09 by benching most of their key players in that game against the Jets. Seemed to me the door was wide open for King to pounce on that contradiction and knock Polian of his self-righteous high horse.
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    IMHO, there's a whole lot of disrespect to throw around.

    I'd include the athletes, agents and execs use their favorites in the press to put out things they won't say themselves.

    How many times do we hear "league sources" or "team sources" or "sources close to X"?

    In my mind, Parcells did this kind of **** all the time, and his relationship with McDonough reeked. Note how McDonough's "journalism" dropped off a cliff just as soon as BP left town.

    And I agree, journalists are a dime a dozen with little to distinguish them, so it is all about access. Go too far, and there's no difficulty in finding another journalist to talk to.

    The whole thing is a farce. Even before they hit high school, athletes know all the boring, meaningless "right things to say". There's way too many media members chasing after way too little of substance to report. How often do we see someone put a mike into an athlete's face and already know what the answer is going to be before the end of the question?

    Nor will he, unless he trades up with the Rams.

    So are a lot of teams. NYJ, NYG and DAL all come to mind immediately.
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