ATippett56
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Plus the Nick Saban connection!Love your sig. I hope BB does. I say next year we don't draft any players from any schools in the state of florida.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Plus the Nick Saban connection!Love your sig. I hope BB does. I say next year we don't draft any players from any schools in the state of florida.
With all due respect to the new millenium, that was my favorite New England Patriots team.Dreith intentionally screwed the Patriots in that game...and admitted it 25 years later in an interview on his ranch in Montana...seems he hated easterners and especially New Yawkers and Bahstonites...there was NEVER a a hit by Hamilton on Stabler on 3rd down, forensic videography years later proved it and then Dreith admitted that he screwed the Pats ...
here's the Boston media on this dastardly villain...
Villains: Ben Dreith
here's a snippet from his bio
During the 1976 playoff between the Oakland Raiders and the New England Patriots, Dreith called a roughing-the-passer penalty on Patriots tackle Ray "Sugar Bear" Hamilton, nullifying a third down incompletion and giving the Raiders an automatic first down deep in New England territory, which led to Oakland's game-winning touchdown with less than a minute left. Replays showed there was no illegal contact. Partially because of the controversy, the league never assigned Dreith to officiate Patriots games again.
Jetdell would have him doing every other Patriots game today....
Stanley Morgan more talented than Terry Glenn? Glenn made some of the best catches I have ever seen. He was like a much faster, better route running version of Brandon Lloyd.
"The Steamer"Morgan over Glenn any day of the week.
Okay, but how did Bill Parcells do in his time here?
1996 - New England Patriots
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 7 Terry Glenn WR Ohio State
2 36 Lawyer Milloy SS Washington
3 86 Tedy Bruschi LB Arizona
4 101 Heath Irwin G Colorado
4 119 Chris Sullivan DE Boston College
4 124 Kantroy Barber RB West Virginia
5 139 John Elmore G Texas
5 149 Christian Peter DT Nebraska
6 173 Chris Griffin TE New Mexico
6 195 Marrio Grier RB Tennessee-Chattanooga
6 206 Devin Wyman DT Kentucky State
7 216 Lovett Purnell TE West Virginia
7 247 J.R. Conrad C Oklahoma
1995 - New England Patriots
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 23 Ty Law CB Michigan
2 57 Ted Johnson ILB Colorado
3 74 Curtis Martin RB Pittsburgh
3 88 Jimmy Hitchcoch CB North Carolina
4 112 Dave Wohlabaugh C Syracuse
6 195 Dino Philyaw RB Oregon
7 234 Carlos Yancy DB Georgia
1994 - New England Patriots
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 4 Willie McGinest OLB USC
2 35 Kevin Lee WR Alabama
3 78 Ervin Collier DT Florida A&M
3 90 Joe Burch C Texas Southern
4 121 John Burke TE Virginia Tech
5 135 Pat O'Neill P Syracuse
6 166 Steve Hawkins WR Western Michigan
6 168 Max Lane T Navy
7 198 Jay Walker QB Howard
7 222 Marty Moore LB Kentucky
1993 - New England Patriots
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State
2 31 Chris Slade OLB Virginia
2 51 Todd Rucci T Penn State
2 56 Vincent Brisby WR Louisiana-Monroe
4 86 Kevin Johnson DT Texas Southern
4 110 Corwin Brown SS Michigan
5 113 Scott Sisson K Georgia Tech
5 138 Rich Griffith TE Arizona
6 142 Lawrence Hatch CB Florida
8 198 Troy Brown WR Marshall
In 4 years of drafting with New England, Parcells got
Drew Blesdsoe
Troy Brown
Chris Slade
Willie McGinist
Ted Johnson
Tedi Bruschi
Curtis Martin
Ty Law
Lawyer Milloy
Terry Glenn
I mean that is an unbelievable quality of talent, and what's more impressive about it is Parcells hit BIG in a bunch of different positions. He hit on all our skill positions on offense(Pro Bowl players at QB, RB, WR Bledsoe Glenn Martin) he hit on pass rushers(McGinist, Slade),hit on run stuffing linebackers(Johnson Bruschi), hit on secondary(Law Milloy)....He set us up greatly for those superbowl winning teams. Parcells didn't have a lot of success with lineman, but I think the current patriots need to do a little less hitting on lineman and a little more hitting on the skilled position players.
Parcells also signed free agents Bob Kratch and Myron Guyton and traded for washed up RB Marion Butts.
Actually, Charlie Armey was responsible for those drafts. After leaving NE, Armey went on to build the very good Rams teams in the late 90s.
For those too young to remember Stanley Morgan, check his stats against overated Hall of Famer Lynn Swann. Morgan was a superb WR who is worthy of HOF consideration.
Look at the drafts following 1996:
1997
1 (29) DB Chris Canty
2 (29) DL Brandon Mitchell
3 (1) RB Sedrick Shaw
3 (29) DB Chris Carter
1998
1 (18) RB Robert Edwards
1 (22) DB Tebucky Jones
2 (22) WR Tony Simmons
2 (24) TE Rod Rutledge
3 (20) DL Greg Spires
4 (23) DL Leonta Rheams
5 (22) LB Ron Merkerson
6 (23) RB Harold Shaw
1999
1 (28) LB Andy Katzenmoyer
2 (15) RB Kevin Faulk
3 (30) DB Tony George
6 (11) DB Marcus Washington
7 (21) QB Michael Bishop
7 (35) WR Sean Morey
Holy smokes...just a few good players out of all those picks.
Here are, in my view, some good picks made by BB:
2000
3 (14) JR Redmond - very useful player...key contributor on the SB-winning drive vs. the Rams
6 (33) Tom Brady - duh
7 (33) Patrick Pass - another very useful player
2001
1 (6) Richard Seymour - stud
2 (17) Matt Light - pro bowl left tackle for years
2002
1 (21) Daniel Graham - solid TE
2 (33) Deion Branch
4 (28) Jarvis Green - really solid DLineman
7 (42) David Givens - solid receiver
2003
1 (13) Ty Warren - outstanding Dlineman
2 (4) Eugene Wilson - looked like he was going to be special, but faded after a few really good years
4 (23) Asante Samuel - if only he had held on to the pick in the SB.......
5 (29) Dan Koppen - anchor for the OL
7 (25) Tully Banta-Cain - has had some good years...great for a 7th round pick
2004
1 (21) Vince Wilfork - stud
1 (32) Ben Watson - has become a really good NFL tight end
2005
1 (32) Logan Mankins - pro bowl G
3 (20) Ellis Hobbs - solid NFL player
3 (37) Nick Kaczur - don't love him, but he was very useful
4 (32) James Sanders - served us well here
7 (16) Matt Cassel - hard to believe...made the pro bowl as a QB for KC
2006
4 (21) Stephen Gostowski - about the only real positive thing I can say about that draft...thought Maroney (1/21) would be better than he turned out to be
2007
1 (24) Brandon Meriweather - bonehead, but made some big plays for the Pats....and that's about it from this draft...two not-so-good years in a row
2008
1 (10) Jerod Mayo - stud
5 (18) Matthew Slater - really solid player
2009
2 (2) Patrick Chung - good safety
2 (26) Sebastian Vollmer - solid T
3 (19) Brandon Tate - really good returner
2010
1 (27) Devin McCourty - good CB
2 (10) Rob Gronkowski - stud
2 (21) Jermaine Cunningham - I want to see another year before I give up on him
2 (30) Brandon Spikes - solid
3 (26) Taylor Price - still think he's going to be pretty good
4 (15) Aaron Hernandez - stud
5 (19) Zoltan Mesko - good punter
2011 - too early to tell
Parcells didn't draft anybody when he was with New England, Bobby Grier bought the groceries, which is the major reason why Parcells left New England, so this thread has no meaning, it's just crap. And in those days, when Grier was doing the player selection out of college, the fans had just as many issues with whom the PATS picked as they do today. Just like Americans in general, football fans do not seem to have a good grasp of their history. They should, it would go a long way to eliminating threads like this one. It would also go a long way to putting the right people in government but that's for another forum.
Stanley Morgan more talented than Terry Glenn? Glenn made some of the best catches I have ever seen. He was like a much faster, better route running version of Brandon Lloyd.
Your giving Glenn a bad rap. Glenn got almost 1200 yards receiving as a ROOKIE(a record at the time)...He had insane hands, was very fast, made incredible catches, had great vertical, and put up very good numbers over his career. I actually think he underachieved a bit, his talent level was off the charts. He gave us the # 1 WR we desperately needed.
Stanley Morgan was *far* better than Terry Glenn. He averaged nearly 20 ypc over his long career. (19.2 ypc) If he had played only 10 years he would have had the highest ypc of any receiver in NFL history. He was amazing and it was a privilege to watch him play.
Parcells didn't draft anybody when he was with New England, Bobby Grier bought the groceries, which is the major reason why Parcells left New England, so this thread has no meaning, it's just crap. And in those days, when Grier was doing the player selection out of college, the fans had just as many issues with whom the PATS picked as they do today. Just like Americans in general, football fans do not seem to have a good grasp of their history. They should, it would go a long way to eliminating threads like this one. It would also go a long way to putting the right people in government but that's for another forum.
It's interesting to note that in a Dan Shaughnessy article before the 2001 season he noted that apart from Terry Glenn and Drew Bledsoe, the Patriots had no one of note on the team and that they'd have to rely on these 2 players for their success.
Drew Bledsoe got knocked out and Terry Glenn was thrown out - and the team had incredible success.