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  1. NENGFAN

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    2007 - SPY GATE and the SBowl Tragic Loss
    2008 - Brady out for season
    2009 - Welker out for playoffs on a freak play

    I mean...what is with this team? I have been more sad than happy the past few years. Today was probably one of the worst Sundays ever. Wonder if we will ever have a normal season?
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    The M.O. for this team has always been guys stepping up into roles after one soldier goes down. That's exactly what Cassel did last year, and that's hopefully what Edelman will do with Welker going down.

    Maroney and the running game will be a key to our success in the playoffs. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Faulk line up at WR or Watson split out wide like the Jets do with Keller sometimes.

    It's a huge loss, but as always, the show must go on. Time to for guys to step up, rally around each other, and do their job.
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    You forgot 06. First the Branch BS and then the epic collapse in the AFC championship game.
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    Ask any of the 31 other teams in the league if they would switch places with our cursed team of the decade and see what answer they give you.
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    2005 - Ben Watson's play not called a touchback. That was one of those amazing plays that would go the Patriots' way, the whole mystique thing and what have you. Then the referee that day (Triplette, IIRC) said f- that, we're not giving them the benefit of the doubt. The Broncos rolled from there and never looked back.

    2006 - Lost defensive captain Rodney Harrison to a cheapshot by Bobby Wade in Week 17. And then EVERYTHING that happened following the Asante Samuel INT for TD in the AFCCG against Indy.

    2007 - SpyGate. Everything that happened after the Randy Moss TD with 3 minutes left in the SB.

    2008 - Brady down Week 1, Pats still look like SB contenders at season's end but miss out with 11-5 record due to tiebreakers.

    2009 - You already know.

    It's hard to say we're cursed after winning 3 SB's in 4 years...but everything in the past 5 years suggests the Pats are hexed.

    To add insult to injury, the past four SB champions have been the Steelers, Colts, Giants, and Steelers again.
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    Did I go to sleep and wake up to next Sunday night around 8PM? Have the Pats been eliminated from the playoffs?

    Yes, the Pats lost Welker, but the Pats lost Ty Law in 2004 and lost both Troy Brown and Deion Branch for large portions of the season in 2003. It isn't the first time the Pats have lost key players even in Super Bowl years.

    Yes, losing Welker makes it much harder for the Pats to win it all, but not impossible.
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    please dont go shaugnessy again on us...the team is blessed to win 3 SB. we had many lucky breaks during those yrs which we forget because we won it all...
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    #12 Jersey

    Since when was going 18-1, 11-5, 10-6 a terrible thing? Snakebitten but far from cursed. More like spoiled
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    I think there's another WR on the team...his name escapes me...big guy...wears #81...and there's a fella named Watson that ain't half bad and a couplof young players...and we don't have a halfbad running game...plus, I'm told we have a Quarterback who's pretty good, though you wouldn't know if from some of the things being said about him out here today...

    i guess i'm gonna hold off on hitting the panic button...i don't see us losing a playoff game in Foxboro...and, after that, who knows?
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    Sh!t happens. You move on.
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    Edelman already stepped up, he had 10/100+ today.
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    2006? The Patriots were lucky to even be in the AFC Championship game. (see: Troy Brown forced fumble)
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    Exactly. Good grief. 3 SB titles this decade and you are cursed?
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    Exactly. That's what this team is all about. I'd be a lot more worried if we were still throwing 50 times a game, but we're like 5th in the league in rushes per game. We've got Maroney who is capable of carrying this team like he did in 07 playoffs, with the addition of Taylor who still has some gas left in the tank. Add in Morris and Faulk and you look really good at RB.

    Edelman is no Welker, but he's as close as you're going to get especially from a rookie. It's time to finally get Moss and Watson more involved in the short passing game.

    I'm more concerned about our defense getting key stops than I am about our offense. Brady got it done with guys like Givens and Caldwell. Our defense not being able to get heat on the QB is still a HUGE concern IMO.
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    Why God Why?!?! Take my ACL and MCL! I'll gladly donate it to save White boy Wes Welker, Wes Walkers!!! NOOOOoooooooo!!!!!
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    #12 Jersey

    I think we're extremely blessed.

    1. Best head-coach
    2. One of the best QB
    3. One of the best WR
    4. Best slot WR ( who only recently got injured )
    5. A few great rookie finds this year ( Hoyer, Edelman, Vollmer, Pryor )
    6. Playoffs again
    7. Winning season every year this decade
    8. 3 of 4 superbowls
    9. 16-0
    10. Best owner
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    Thank You.

    Nine straight winning seasons that include four conference championships and three league championships is 'cursed'?

    Something that happens that results in a team not winning a championship two or three years in a row is hardly a curse. If the Patriots over the last couple of years are cursed, then what are the Jets since SB3, or the Lions over the last half-century?

    For starters I have no idea why any fan of a playoff team is assuming their team is going to lose; that's pretty sad. Secondly, I don't understand why anybody assumes their team should win a championship every single year and anything less is either epic failure or a jinx; again, that's pretty sad in my opinion.
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    This season isn't over yet. Man, after going through a lot of disappointing seasons from 1971 through 2000, I can't believe that anyone would whine about the Patriots this decade. 3 SB titles and a contending team every year. Don't you guys remember the Victor Kiam years. Or the early 80s. Some Patriot fans are pretty spoiled. I had no expectation of winning today, and losing Welker is a tough break. But to say this is the worst thing ever is a bit of an over reaction.
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    No curse. Just poor execution in key situations.

    And please forget the refs and Ben Watson. Brady made a horrible decision on that play after Ashworth didn't pick up a blitz. Watson doesn't have to attempt that miracle if TB throws it away. Also, if Troy Brown doesn't fumble a punt...

    There were key breakdowns in all the games mentioned. As BB has said in some of those brutal losses, "the <other team> made more big plays than we did."
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    Nice post and I couldn't agree more about the offense. I disagree with your assessment of the D. Burgess looks like he's finally "getting it" and to underestimate the impact of having Wilfork, Warren and Bodden back in the starting lineup would be foolish.

    Hell, I'm saying right now that it's our D that's going to be making a statement in the playoffs. Guyton is the weak link at this point--if he, Thomas, Seau, Nincovich, or ANYONE can step it up at LB, this D is going to be stout.

    I still believe we can beat anybody in this league in the playoffs.
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    I NEVER want to hear about this talk again. This team has done things that no ever did before or thought they would do and now freak things happen and now its a curse. No talk like this ever again
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    I've been a fan of Burgess since we brought him in so it's nice to finally see him begin to produce, especially heading into the playoffs. I'm not basing the defensive play off of today without our better guys, I'm just basing it on how I've felt throughout the year. I feel all year we've built up our defensive stats vs teams that aren't that great. Yes we've looked good recently but look at who we've played - Buffalo, Carolina, Jacksonville. All 3 teams lack a good QB.

    Our defense is very capable of stopping the run IMO, but against good QB's we've been sliced and diced consistently because we don't get pressure on the QB. Heading into the playoffs, almost everyone in the AFC has a good QB except the Jets who have an inconsistent rookie. Manning, Rivers, Palmer, Flacco will chew us if we can't get heat on them.

    I'm also not the biggest fan of Bodden. I think there's a reason BB had Wilhite on Wayne a lot during the Colts game and on Colston a lot during the New Orleans game until he got pulled.
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    How good is anybody else against playoff teams?

    Colts: 3-1
    Chargers: 3-1
    Patriots: 2-3
    Bengals: 2-3
    Jets: 3-2
    Ravens: 1-6

    Saints: 3-1
    Vikings: 4-1
    Cowboys: 3-2
    Cardinals: 1-2
    Packers: 3-3
    Eagles: 0-4


    As much as we may wring our hands over the Pats' record against better teams, it's not that much different than that of the other playoff teams.
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    Are we cursed ...yes by this thread...and othres like it.
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    Cursed? Cursed?!!! Take that voodoo m-f'n "curse" sh*t with you. Don't be dragging that Pre 2004 RedSox mentality in here. Most teams don't win a superbowl every 3 or 4 years... that's why it's so special when it does happen. All the lists of why some of you wonder if we're cursed- that's EXACTLY why it will be so great when we do win our next Lombardi. The longer it takes, the more it means. Win 3 out of 4, then hit a "dry spell" of a few years and we're suddenly cursed... good grief. :rolleyes:
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    The Pats are the most blessed team in the league. Being able to win a Super Bowl takes a lot of good fortune, as well as great players and coaches. Any team that contends on a consistent basis will have its share of bad breaks and bad luck. The important thing is that they are contending.
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    All you can ask for is to be in contention each year. And that's exactly what we have been and are. You are always going to have injuries, fluke plays, missed opportunities, blown calls, bad decisions. It's a part of life and the game of football.

    If you look at how successful we have been, it is truly outstanding. Won the Super Bowl in 01, 03, 04. 05 we lay an egg against Denver with bad turnovers and sloppy play even though we outgained them in offense like 400 to 200 and still had a chance to win even though we played like garbage. 06 we upset the Chargers in their stadium, go to Indy and dominate and are a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl again where we would've killed the Bears. 07 we go undefeated and although we don't play well in the Super Bowl, we play well enough to win. But a few freak things that you will never see happen again happened and we lose. 08 our star QB goes down and we go 11-5 but don't make the playoffs.

    We have been in contention every year, even in 2002 where if the Jets had lost to Green Bay we would've snuck into the playoffs. At least 25 of the other teams in the NFL would DIE to have the kind of success we've had. It's not easy to make the playoffs every year. The #1 and #2 seeds in the AFC and NFC are BOTH SITTING HOME THIS YEAR! Tenn, Pitt and NYG, Carolina all missed the dance this season.

    What Belichick and his staff have been able to do is remarkable. Being in contention is all you can ask for. Each year different obstacles and situations present themselves, some that you can control and some that you can't. We've all been spoiled. We all had a feeling this team with Brady back at the helm would return close to 2007 form and be 14-2 or 13-3 and dominate. This year has been a turnover year for us and we have still made the playoffs. We've seen numerous leaders and great players on our defense retire or be traded, and a bunch of new faces step in. The defense is very young. Rome wasn't built in a day. It will take time to build this team back up to being elite, but having BB and his staff, that should be a rather quick process.

    To be able to be the #3 seed in a transformation year with a ton of turnover and a banged up QB is pretty remarkable to me. Yes we've made some bad decisions, but we're still in the playoffs and have as good of a shot as anyone to make a SB run. Wasn't that the goal at the beginning of the season?
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    Cursed? I call it karma. The Patriots cheat from 00-07, win 3 tainted super bowls,( just barely, I might add) disrespect the entire league and it's history. The coach is a scumbag human being. The QB is the most overrated pansy ever. The owner and his family are crooks. I'd say the Pats are getting just what they deserve. Go Ravens!
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    LOL right though? Clearly anybody who's crying curse regarding these last few seasons didn't follow the Pats before the 2000's, or has a really poor memory. Just the fact that we've been contending every season is a blessing.
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    Aren't the likes of you supposed to be posting over at ESPN or youtube?
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