All Retread Pats Team (Good and Bad)

[slam]

From the Belichick era only.

First the bad. What's the most complete team you can make from players with the most accomplished career before coming to the Pats with the least amount of contributions as a Patriot? Rodney Harrison for example wouldn't count due to actual accomplishments as a Patriot.

Edited to fix omissions and placements.

QB Tebow
RB Steven Jackson, Mike Cloud
TE Scott Chandler, Kyle Brady
WR Ochocinco, Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, Joey Galloway. The deepest position by far. Could have a half dozen more names.
OL The thinnest position by far. Robert Gallery fits as he washed out in training camp. Speaks to how well Dante scoops up raw hunks of clay and makes them players and how rarely the Pats go shopping for OL in FA.
DE Shawn Ellis, Derrick Burgess, Will Smith
DT Albert Haynesworth, Terrance Knighton
LB Victor Hobson, James Harrison?
S Victor Green, Adrian Wilson, John Lynch, Tank Williams
CB Terrell Buckley, Shawn Springs, Deltha O'Neal, Duane Starks
K/P - N/A


Next the good. What late career players with extensive resumes have then come to the Pats and contributed well?

QB Flutie, Testaverde held backup spots, but no in game production
RB Corey Dillon, Blount (the return), Antowain Smith, Larry Centers, Fred Taylor?
TE Martellus Bennett, Alge Crumpler
WR Randy Moss, Deion Branch (the return), Donte Stallworth
OL Brian Waters. Same note as the bad list. Not much to choose from.
DE Andre Carter, Bobby Hamilton, Anthony Pleasant
DT Ted Washington
LB Junior Seau, Roman Phifer, James Harrison?
S Rodney Harrison, Pat Chung (the return), Stephen Gregory
CB Darelle Revis, Brandon Browner, Tyrone Poole
K/P Shayne Graham

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I would not put Flutie, Cox, or Gilmore in the bad category

 

[Patjew]

WTF?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Testaverde > Flutie at QB
RB- Dillon, Fred Taylor
FB- Centers
WR - Moss, Torry Holt, Wayne, Stallworth
TE- The Crump, Kyle Brady

 

[Wheelman]

All the teams sucked. Got it!

 

[MitchKumstein]

Bryan Cox was at the tail end of his career when he was with the Pats, but he brought an attitude to the D that I think set the tone for the entire season.

I remember when he knocked out some guy on the Colts after talking smack about Peyton Manning.

He might not have contributed a lot on the field, but he absolutely contributed a lot to the team

 

[sb1]

WR- Wes Welker in group 2

You’re also thinking of K Shayne Graham?

 

[sb1]

Recur Caldwell... though I don’t think he was ever a starter in SD

 

[slam]

Testaverde > Flutie at QB
RB- Dillon, Fred Taylor
FB- Centers
WR - Moss, Torry Holt, Wayne, Stallworth
TE- The Crump, Kyle Brady

Forgot about the RBs!

 

[sb1]

How about WR Donald Hayes in group 1?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ted Washington as well. His prime was when he was with BUF

 

[jmt57]

Kicker would be Shayne Graham. I was going to say Robbie Gould, but this is a list of those who played with the Patriots as opposed to their post-Patriot NFL career.

As for punters there have been several: Lee Johnson, Ken Walter, Josh Miller, Chris Hanson. Most started out on Santa's nice list but ended up on the naughty side and being cut.



Some players I am having trouble relating with the title of 'bad', because that has the connotation that their signing was poor judgement or failure by the front office. The acquisition of many of these veterans at the end of their career was of very little risk, with minimal expectations. Maybe 'high production' and 'low production' would be more appropriate.

 

[jmt57]

Took me way too long to find, but on a semi-related note;
(This goes beyond the Belichick era, for all of Pats history):

What is your all-time Patriots team using only non-Patriots players?

Alternate Universe:

QB: Rich Gannon, Fran Tarkenton, Andrew Walter, Tim Tebow, Matt Flynn
WR: Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, Gary Collins, Nate Washington, Andre Holmes, Michael Jenkins, Greg Lewis, Brandon Gibson, Anthony Gonzalez, Donald Jones
RB: Duane Thomas, Rocky Bleier, Tommy Mason, Joseph Addai, Donald Brown
FB/TE: Bear Pascoe
TE: Marcus Pollard, Alex Smith, Lee Smith, Jake Ballard
OL: LT Bob Vogel, T/G Dan LaRose, C/G Ted Larsen, G/T Robert Gallery, RT Corey Hilliard, G Ken Byers

DE: Will Smith, Fred Dryer, Jonathan Fanene, Jeremy Mincey, Kony Ealy
DT: Phil Olsen, Christian Peter, Terrance Knighton
LB: Lee Roy Jordan, Rip Hawkins, James Anderson, Victor Hobson, Justin Rogers
CB: Bernie McRae, Will Allen, Eric Warfield, EJ Biggers
S: John Lynch, Adrian Wilson, Tank Williams

K: Robbie Gould, Martin Gramatica
P: Gary Collins
KR: Bill Triplett


All of the above players were either once part of the Patriots' organization, at one time traded to the Patriots, or drafted by the Pats - but never appeared in any games (other than preseason) with the Patriots.


And yes, I know there are too many WR and QB, and not enough OL.​

 

[jah]

Robert Gallery, my dude.

 

[Joey007]

@slam Deltha O’Neal was one you could’ve added for bad CB.

Happy to help, my dude.

 

[Joey007]

Took me way too long to find, but on a semi-related note;
(This goes beyond the Belichick era, for all of Pats history):

What is your all-time Patriots team using only non-Patriots players?

Alternate Universe:

QB: Rich Gannon, Fran Tarkenton, Andrew Walter, Tim Tebow, Matt Flynn
WR: Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, Gary Collins, Nate Washington, Andre Holmes, Michael Jenkins, Greg Lewis, Brandon Gibson, Anthony Gonzalez, Donald Jones
RB: Duane Thomas, Rocky Bleier, Tommy Mason, Joseph Addai, Donald Brown
FB/TE: Bear Pascoe
TE: Marcus Pollard, Alex Smith, Lee Smith, Jake Ballard
OL: LT Bob Vogel, T/G Dan LaRose, C/G Ted Larsen, G/T Robert Gallery, RT Corey Hilliard, G Ken Byers

DE: Will Smith, Fred Dryer, Jonathan Fanene, Jeremy Mincey
DT: Phil Olsen, Christian Peter, Terrance Knighton
LB: Lee Roy Jordan, Rip Hawkins, James Anderson, Victor Hobson, Justin Rogers
CB: Bernie McRae, Will Allen, Eric Warfield, EJ Biggers
S: John Lynch, Adrian Wilson, Tank Williams

K: Robbie Gould, Martin Gramatica
P: Gary Collins
KR: Bill Triplett


All of the above players were either once part of the Patriots' organization, at one time traded to the Patriots, or drafted by the Pats - but never appeared in any games (other than preseason) with the Patriots.


And yes, I know there are too many WR and QB, and not enough OL.​

Ahhh. Ponzi scheme Will Allen:

Ex-NFL cornerback pleads guilty in Ponzi scheme

 

[Ring 6]

Recur Caldwell... though I don’t think he was ever a starter in SD

Damn I hope Caldwell doesn’t recur.


Doug Gabriel would have been a better example from that year.

 

[Ring 6]

@slam Deltha O’Neal was one you could’ve added for bad CB.

Happy to help, my dude.

Duane Starks

 

[Joey007]

Duane Starks

He really forgot about several CB’s, and Gilmore is way too premature to put on that list.

 

[Ring 6]

He really forgot about several CB’s, and Gilmore is way too premature to put on that list.

Gilmore on the list is dumb. He is the best corner and probably best player we have on defense right now.