All obscure Patriot team

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Ok, since we are listing every kind of imaginable team, how about a team comprised of underappreciated or oft forgotten Patriots who were good solid players yet not elite ones.

Rules are:

Decent starters in their prime, but not elite caliber
obscure in the sense that they were/are underappreciated or just forgotten
Were once Patriots

I'm thinking:

QB: In my time, I guess Hugh Millen would qualify, but there has to be someone in older times that would be a better fit.

RB: John Stevens or Robert Edwards

FB: Kevin Turner or Sam Gash

TE: Marv Cook or Jermaine Wiggins

WR: Terry Glenn (He gets no love anymore, but I think he was actually pretty good on the field), David Patten

OG: Joe Andruzzi
C: Dave Walebaugh (sp???)

DT: Brandon Mitchell, Eaton
DE: Bobby Hamilton
LB: Marty Moore
CB: Otis Smith

 

[SamBamsFan]

Ok, since we are listing every kind of imaginable team, how about a team comprised of underappreciated or oft forgotten Patriots who were good solid players yet not elite ones.

Rules are:

Decent starters in their prime, but not elite caliber
obscure in the sense that they were/are underappreciated or just forgotten
Were once Patriots

I'm thinking:

QB: In my time, I guess Hugh Millen would qualify, but there has to be someone in older times that would be a better fit.

RB: John Stevens or Robert Edwards

FB: Kevin Turner or Sam Gash

TE: Marv Cook or Jermaine Wiggins

WR: Terry Glenn (He gets no love anymore, but I think he was actually pretty good on the field), David Patten

OG: Joe Andruzzi
C: Dave Walebaugh (sp???)

DT: Brandon Mitchell, Eaton
DE: Bobby Hamilton
LB: Marty Moore
CB: Otis Smith

I have to call you on this one as I think you must have watched some different Patriots games. He had one of the best rookie seasons that I ever saw a Patriot have, then the wheels came of after Parcells left. IMO

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

You need to look up the definition of 'obscure' - Glenn, Stevens, Edwards & O.T.I.S. for example are not

 

[tombonneau]

Maurice Hearst? Hurst? -- The fact I can't remember the spelling speaks to his obscurity

John Stephens.

Vincent Brisby.

Rich Camarillo.

Fred Marion.

Garin Veris.

Vincent Brown (maybe not obscure enough ...)

Those are a few decent but relatively obscure guys.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

You need to look up the definition of 'obscure' - Glenn, Stevens, Edwards & O.T.I.S. for example are not

John "Stevens" is definitely obscure.

Following a Pro Bowl rookie season in 1988, in the 1989 Earthquake game at Stanford U against the 49ers, "Stevens" partially paralyzed Niners safety Jeff Fuller. I think that affected "Stevens". He was never the same player after that game. BTW, the Pats lost 37-20.

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/Stanford/index.htm

"Stevens" career...

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1988 nwe |  16 |   297   1168    3.9    4 |    14     98   7.0    0 |
| 1989 nwe |  14 |   244    833    3.4    7 |    21    207   9.9    0 |
| 1990 nwe |  16 |   212    808    3.8    2 |    28    196   7.0    1 |
| 1991 nwe |  14 |    63    163    2.6    2 |    16    119   7.4    0 |
| 1992 nwe |  16 |    75    277    3.7    2 |    21    161   7.7    0 |
| 1993 gnb |   5 |    48    173    3.6    1 |     5     31   6.2    0 |
| 1993 kan |   7 |     6     18    3.0    0 |     0      0   0.0    0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
|  TOTAL   |  88 |   945   3440    3.6   18 |   105    812   7.7    1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

One more reason John "Stevens" should be in the "obscure" category...

It's Stephens, not "Stevens"!!!


Other obscure RBs: Don Calhoun, Vegas Ferguson, and one of my personal faves, Robert Weathers.

 

[jimmyjames]

I always liked WR Shawn Jefferson and was sad to see him go to the Falcons. He used to come up with some big catches in the Bledsoe era.

 

[JDSal45]

John "Stevens" is definitely obscure.

Following a Pro Bowl rookie season in 1988, in the 1989 Earthquake game at Stanford U against the 49ers, "Stevens" partially paralyzed Niners safety Jeff Fuller. I think that affected "Stevens". He was never the same player after that game. BTW, the Pats lost 37-20.

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/Stanford/index.htm

"Stevens" career...

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1988 nwe |  16 |   297   1168    3.9    4 |    14     98   7.0    0 |
| 1989 nwe |  14 |   244    833    3.4    7 |    21    207   9.9    0 |
| 1990 nwe |  16 |   212    808    3.8    2 |    28    196   7.0    1 |
| 1991 nwe |  14 |    63    163    2.6    2 |    16    119   7.4    0 |
| 1992 nwe |  16 |    75    277    3.7    2 |    21    161   7.7    0 |
| 1993 gnb |   5 |    48    173    3.6    1 |     5     31   6.2    0 |
| 1993 kan |   7 |     6     18    3.0    0 |     0      0   0.0    0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
|  TOTAL   |  88 |   945   3440    3.6   18 |   105    812   7.7    1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

One more reason John "Stevens" should be in the "obscure" category...

It's Stephens, not "Stevens"!!!


Other obscure RBs: Don Calhoun, Vegas Ferguson, and one of my personal faves, Robert Weathers.

Umm, anyone who started at running back and had a 1,000 yard season is probably not obscure. For example, ten years from now, perhaps Mike Wright will be obscure. Jarvis Green will not be.

None of the guys you name as running backs are obscure. I have vivid memories of watching all. Scott Lockwood=obscure. Don Calhoun, a critical piece of many great Pats teams IS NOT.


J D Sal

 

[JDSal45]

Here is my all obscure team for guys who were on the roster for at least a bit of time:

QB: Jeff Carlson
RB: Allen Clark
FB: Mario Grier
WR: Carlos Pennywell
WR: Don Westbrook
TE: Lovett Purnell
OT: J.R. Conrad
OT: Larry Tharpe
OG: Lance Scott
OG: Reggie Redding
C: Juan Porter

DE: Mike Pitts
NT: Pio Sagapulitelli (yeah, he started, I like the name)
DE: Jon Hand
LB: Richard Harvey
LB: Rich McKenzie
LB: Dwayne Sabb
LB: Ron Merkeson
CB: Dyshod Carter
CB: Leonard Myers
S: Myron Guyton
S: Arturo Freeman

K: Scott Sisson
P: Eddie Hare

J D Sal

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Umm, anyone who started at running back and had a 1,000 yard season is probably not obscure. For example, ten years from now, perhaps Mike Wright will be obscure. Jarvis Green will not be.

None of the guys you name as running backs are obscure. I have vivid memories of watching all. Scott Lockwood=obscure. Don Calhoun, a critical piece of many great Pats teams IS NOT.


J D Sal

Here is my all obscure team for guys who were on the roster for at least a bit of time:

QB: Jeff Carlson
RB: Allen Clark
FB: Mario Grier
WR: Carlos Pennywell
WR: Don Westbrook
TE: Lovett Purnell
OT: J.R. Conrad
OT: Larry Tharpe
OG: Lance Scott
OG: Reggie Redding
C: Juan Porter

DE: Mike Pitts
NT: Pio Sagapulitelli (yeah, he started, I like the name)
DE: Jon Hand
LB: Richard Harvey
LB: Rich McKenzie
LB: Dwayne Sabb
LB: Ron Merkeson
CB: Dyshod Carter
CB: Leonard Myers
S: Myron Guyton
S: Arturo Freeman

K: Scott Sisson
P: Eddie Hare

J D Sal

I have vivid memories of Scott Missin' Sisson, Dwayne Sabb #95 (from UNH), Eddie Hare (a gosh-awful punter from 1979), Myron Guyton (one of Tuna's Jints refugees who started on the Jints SBXXV championship team), Reggie Redding (the Tuna's "brooktrout" boy), Pio Sagapuletele (NT who played with BB in Cleveland), Mike Pitts (a former 1st round pick from the Atlanta Falcons and a starter on Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams), and Jeff Carlson (in 1992, the last starting QB to don Pat Patriot as his normal uniform and I'm guessing, the only lefty QB to start for the Pats?). So I guess they're NOT obscure either.

Umm, see just how subjective "obscure" can be?

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Umm, anyone who started at running back and had a 1,000 yard season is probably not obscure. For example, ten years from now, perhaps Mike Wright will be obscure. Jarvis Green will not be.

None of the guys you name as running backs are obscure. I have vivid memories of watching all. Scott Lockwood=obscure. Don Calhoun, a critical piece of many great Pats teams IS NOT.


J D Sal

In my opinion, John Stevens is obscure. He only had one good season, so if you didn't watch the pats that year, you probably don't even know who he is. At the same time, he was one of the few bright spots that year. Everyone knew we were going to hand the ball off to him, yet they still could rarely stop him for a loss. His "both hands on the ball all the time" carrying style was interesting.

Instead of debating about the subjective obscurity of other choices, I encourage everyone to pitch in their "All obscure" team.

I commend you for adding a detailed team list... you came up with a lot more than I was able to.

Whoever said Shawn Jefferson... good one. I totally forgot about him and he was a solid starter... the perfect candidate for this list IMO.

 

[SamBamsFan]

Joe Kapp
Sideways Ike Forte
Josh Ashton
Randy Vataha
Pete Gogalak

 

[Pats726]

Umm, anyone who started at running back and had a 1,000 yard season is probably not obscure. For example, ten years from now, perhaps Mike Wright will be obscure. Jarvis Green will not be.

None of the guys you name as running backs are obscure. I have vivid memories of watching all. Scott Lockwood=obscure. Don Calhoun, a critical piece of many great Pats teams IS NOT.


J D Sal

Obscure to me is MORE the peripheral players of any era...Calhoun as was said is NOT obscure!!

 

[AzPatsFan]

Let me be the oldtimer to suggest some long forgotten Patriots.

1) CB Leroy Mitchell 6-2 190# two time Probowl player in the late '60s. He was the best pure man cover corner ever on the Pats until Mike Haynes arrived. Unfortunately he played on the terrible late '60s Patriots.

2) RT Tom Neville 6-4 255# multi year All AFL tackle in the '60s.

3) LBs Sam Hunt and John Rembert from the 70's.

4) S Fred Marion. On a secondary with Super stars Mike Haynes, Ray Clayborn and Tim Fox it was easy overlook a solid player like Fred. And people did.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I take this as an opportunity to recall and recognize solid players not unknown ST part time players. Any one nominated should have been a regualar satrting player who just got overlooked whan the kudos are passed out. The guys on todays Patriots who might be teh type of players considered are guys like Joe Andruzzi, David Patten type players, not guys like Eric Alexander or Joe Klecko.

 

[Pats67]

George Webster, for one season, a man amongst men.

 

[Chevy]

Let me be the oldtimer to suggest some long forgotten Patriots.


4) S Fred Marion. On a secondary with Super stars Mike Haynes, Ray Clayborn and Tim Fox it was easy overlook a solid player like Fred. And people did.

Marion only played 1 season with Haynes, and 0 with Fox (Fox left after the 81 season, Haynes after the 82 season which was Marion's rookie year)

Marion was also a full time starter for most of his career (injury shortened his 87 and 91 campaigns.)

 

[drewdagreat]

Did Brandon Mitchell block the FG vs Pitt in AFCCG in '01 or was it Seymour? If it's Mitchell, my vote's for him.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Did Brandon Mitchell block the FG vs Pitt in AFCCG in '01 or was it Seymour? If it's Mitchell, my vote's for him.

It was Mitchell I believe. He had a VERY strong year in 01 and I really think that if we had retained him instead of going with Funny Guy Steve Martin at NT the next year, we would have made the playoffs in 02 and then who knows....

 

[Patriotic]

Pat Patriot Days

QB Mike Talliferro
RB "Handy" Andy Johnson
WR Reggie Rucker
TE Bob Windsor
OL Leon Gray
DL Richard Bishop
LBs Don Blackmon, Steve Kiner
DB Ron Bolton
KR Jess Phillips
PR Roland James

 

[shmessy]

I take this as an opportunity to recall and recognize solid players not unknown ST part time players. Any one nominated should have been a regualar satrting player who just got overlooked whan the kudos are passed out. The guys on todays Patriots who might be teh type of players considered are guys like Joe Andruzzi, David Patten type players, not guys like Eric Alexander or Joe Klecko.

The man who made the play that created me as a Pats fan in 1974 against the Purple People Eaters.

TE Bob Windsor.