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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Clay just turned 25 in February. His contract is going to be extremely team friendly in years 3-5. Last year, in a 16 game season, he had 759 yards receiving on 69 receptions, and averaged about 11 yards per reception.
In short, he's got the ability to at least roughly approximate Aaron Hernandez (who's best season was 79 catches 910 yards), who had signed a 5 year, $40m extension with the Patriots, and that contract was done years ago.
There's an awful lot of stone throwing coming from some Patriots fans glass houses, yet again.
Your numbers are off.
Your numbers are off.
I took the numbers from NFL.com.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...aron-hernandezs-new-england-patriots-contract
Talking about Clay. The stats you cited are from 2013.
You are probably correct, after I looked up his previous contract I saw he was not making nearly as much as this. I would've still anticipated somewhere around $4-5m a year for him, but I can sometimes overestimate that type of thing - I thought I overestimated on Clay, but turns out I underestimated If indeed he's making less than $4m per year I would say that's a good value considering the state of the TE market.
I do think Chandler is somewhat overestimated by some, he's no Gronkowski or Hernandez. If Gronk went down and he became the new #1, it would definitely be a downgrade. However, as a #2 TE I would say he is above average, which is all you should reasonably expect from your second tight end.One thing to consider--and I hate to even bring it up, but it's also possible that we could be overestimating Chandler himself; just the same that we've done with most of the other TEs that have come and gone in the past few years. Understanding that I'm not meaning to be overly pessimistic, but we've all talked about how good the pairing of Gronk would be with a number of TEs lately: Jake Ballard, Vincent Schiancoe, Daniel Fells, Kellen Winslow, etc. Unfortunately, none of them really panned out.
Some of those names brought much more than a 1.95m dollar per year contract, with a 250,000 roster bonus, so it would appear that the excitement has seen this level before several times in the past few years. I suppose the only reasonable explanation for Rex Ryan cutting Chandler over a measly 250k roster bonus was that he didn't see a need with the expected signing of Charles Clay, but that would seem kind of short-sighted, especially for depth or 2 TE sets. Luckily, Rex has lived up to that billing in the past
Clay just turned 25 in February. His contract is going to be extremely team friendly in years 3-5. In 2013, in a 16 game season, he had 759 yards receiving on 69 receptions, and averaged about 11 yards per reception.
In short, he's got the ability to at least roughly approximate Aaron Hernandez (who's best season was 79 catches 910 yards), who had signed a 5 year, $40m extension with the Patriots, and that contract was done years ago.
There's an awful lot of stone throwing coming from some Patriots fans glass houses, yet again.
I do think Chandler is somewhat overestimated by some, he's no Gronkowski or Hernandez. If Gronk went down and he became the new #1, it would definitely be a downgrade. However, as a #2 TE I would say he is above average, which is all you should reasonably expect from your second tight end.
He should also be several steps above Hoomanawanui.
You know what happens when you front-load the contracts of professional athletes and then expect them to play for less than half of what they were making the previous year?
Nothing good.
Plus, come on...in four years, Clay is averaging just over 450 receiving yards a year that's in 58 games).
Hernandez in 38 games, three years, had more total receiving yards, and 4 more touchdowns.
Clay's got 5 million more guaranteed than Hernandez AND he's getting more than 24 of his 38 in the first 2 years - like I said, bad move. This is a ridiculous contract, and I'd say the same (only I'd be mad instead of laughing) if the Pats had done it.
Heck, compare him to Scott Chandler in the last four years - are you ready for this?
Here's Clay's 4 year tag line, followed by Chandler's in the same time frame:
Receptions 161, Yards 1809, YPC 11.2, TD 14 (he also got one rushing)
Receptions 181, Yards 2112, YPC 11.6, TD 17
Did the Pats pay anything near this for Scott Chandler? I certainly hope not!
Keep tossing those stones. If this had been a Patriots signing, you'd be singing its praises.
One thing to consider--and I hate to even bring it up, but it's also possible that we could be overestimating Chandler himself; just the same that we've done with most of the other TEs that have come and gone in the past few years. Understanding that I'm not meaning to be overly pessimistic, but we've all talked about how good the pairing of Gronk would be with a number of TEs lately: Jake Ballard, Vincent Schiancoe, Daniel Fells, Kellen Winslow, etc. Unfortunately, none of them really panned out.
Some of those names brought much more than a 1.95m dollar per year contract, with a 250,000 roster bonus, so it would appear that the excitement has seen this level before several times in the past few years. I suppose the only reasonable explanation for Rex Ryan cutting Chandler over a measly 250k roster bonus was that he didn't see a need with the expected signing of Charles Clay, but that would seem kind of short-sighted, especially for depth or 2 TE sets. Luckily, Rex has lived up to that billing in the past
Not at that money, I wouldn't.
Last four years:
Receptions 161, Yards 1809, YPC 11.2, TD 14 (he also got one rushing)
Receptions 181, Yards 2112, YPC 11.6, TD 17
Which is Clay, which is Chandler?
Yes, you would. Without question or hesitation. The fact that you're being deliberately misleading about the comparisons to Chandler says it all.
Okay, wrap your head around this: the Pats got Revis for less than the Bills will pay Clay this year or next - and the Pats got to spread it over two years of cap.
And please spare me the passive-aggressive crap. Those are the last four years for both guys. Sorry if it doesn't fit your argument.