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2006 Defense Should Be Even Better Than 2005

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  1. mgteich

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    With no changes
    DL - all signed though 2006
    LB - all signed for 2006 (except Chatham); add Claridge
    DB - Wilson,Hobbs,Samuel,Sanders back
    Gay,Starks,and G. Scott replace Hawkins,Poteat and Stone
    2006
    DL - Seymour,Wilfork,Warren,Green,Wright,Hill,Klecko
    LB - McGinist,Bruschi,Vrabel,Colvin,Brown,Beisel,Claridge,Izzo,Banta-Cain
    CB - Hobbs,Samuel,Gay,Starks
    S - Wilson,Sanders,G. Scott

    You may not like Starks, but he is at least as good as Poteat who he replaces. So, I believe that the 2006 defense should be even better than 2006 by just bringing back the injured. I presume that Poole will be cut in February.

    We would then add a couple of special teamer db's, perhaps Hawkins and Stone to complete the squad.
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    POTENTIAL UPGRADES TO THE ABOVE 23
    Who would you upgrade?
    I'd just sign Law to replace Stone or G. Scott), a backup NT to replace Klecko. That really isn't much to ask from free agancy and the draft.

    BOTTOM LINE
    The defense could use a top corner and backup NT. They also could do without, and still improve. The ENTIRE offseason needs to be focused on the offense.

    The defense will help out by having McGinist and perhaps Starks restructure. Poole will be gone. The special teams will have Vinitieri extend.
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    I SHOULD ADD PRACTICE SQUAD PLAYERS WHO WILL BE BACK
    All these have potential to make the bottom few roster spots
    LB Alexander
    DT Thomas
    S Ventrone
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    I suggest trading Klecko to the Jets for a 5th. They need hype and distraction to keep fan and media interest in their decline.
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    I like Hawkins in the backfield more than Guss Scott. If Scott stays, I think it will be in a ST role, competing with TBC and Stone. I prefer TBC. I think he's supplanted Izzo as our top cover guy. I agree we should bring in a good FA cornerback, but I don't want to see Law back here. Ever. Not personal, I just don't see much in terms of skills. My top guy is Clements, but he'll likely be too expensive. I'll leave it to Bill to find a veteran that can excel in our system. If we can't upgrade Klecko, we're just not trying. I think Wright will be ahead of him in the DT rotation, and I'd like to think we can improve over Wright.

    In Sum:
    DL Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Hill, Wright
    LB Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinest, Colvin, Beisel, TBC, Claridge, FA, Draftee
    DB Samuel, Wilson, Gay, Starks, Hawkins, Hobbs, Sanders, G Scott, FA, FA

    We may have to replace guys like Chatham, Izzo, and Davis on STs, but they may not necessarily be defensive players.
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    Needs on defense :

    ILB because Bruschi will be 33 next year.
    S because Harrison is questionable, as are his replacements.
    CB if we can get a (close to) #1 guy because we don't have one right now.

    Needs on defense :

    WR if Givens doesn't re-sign.
    G is Neal doesn't re-sign.
    RB because Dillon isn't getting any younger.
    TE depending on if they can extend Graham whose contract expires after next year.
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    :singing: That would be the steal of the century. Hell we could draft a ball boy and it would be a better use of that roster spot.
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    We need to draft a mean hard hitting safety. I would say a first day linebacker but BB likes to sign vets at LB.

    Free agency needs.

    1. Safety - Unless they think Sanders will be the longterm solution
    2. Corner - agree we need a #1 corner opposite of Hobbs
    3. ILB - Biesel may get better after a year in the system

    Offense

    Re-sign our players first if possible

    The offense is very good, a big time wide reciever would be nice. The O-line will be very good

    Kaczur, Mankins, Koppen, Neal(if resigned), Light

    A RB would be nice to pick up late in the Draft but we need to focus the draft on D this year.
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    I like Hawkins also. I would like us to sign him to a 3 year contract. He is valuable in many roles, and can start at safety. Guss Scott is cheap and will be back to fill a spot at the end of the roster.

    TBC is an enigma. He has never made it as an OLB. And no, I don't think he he has supplanted Izzo. TBC has been healthy and inactive lately, but not Izzo.

    I don't expect to dump Chad Brown to depend on a newbie. Brwon is an acceptable backup OLB.

    If Wright is OK as a backup NT (for bb to decide), then I would expect a draftee to compete with Hill for reps.


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    STARKS!?!?!?!

    Heat, tell me that was typo!

    Where's Rodney?
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    1. If I recall correctly, it would cost about as much to cut Starks as to keep him, so as poorly as he's played, he can stay as a nickel/dime back.

    2. I think it is overly optimistic to think that Rodney will be on the opening day roster.
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    What about first day picks???

    I like the discussions and I agree the 2006 team will be better. But even better than y'all are saying. How about adding 4 first day picks to your smogasboard?

    Outside of a CB, or a S, or a ILB... How about ALL of them and more important an OLB/DE.

    IMHO, the prime pick will be used on an OLB/DE/Elephant to groom to play in 2007/8. Think of a Ware, Merriman, type of player. Willie IS that type of player, and replacing him as we will have to do in a year or three is the TOUGHEST guy to get.

    I could see BB/SP trading down to the mid teens to get such a guy. Manny Lawson or Carpenter or better yet both!

    The place on the team where you can add quality is at Izzo/Davis/Chatham position. Davis is a locker room leader but he's 33. Chatham is in his prime but is a backup. Izzo is a tough ST but Stone and others are eclipsing him at age 32. He doesn't even lead the Pats in ST tackles any more.

    Here are two positions to occupy with future satarters being groomed, while they sit & learn and play ST. Don't discount Mike Stone; he is on the way to being our next generation Izzo. In less than 8 games he is closing in on the number of ST tackles of team leading STers at those positions who have been there al yeas. And he can even play a littler regular Defense too, to boot.

    I'd be intersted in a RB, but this year's draft crop stinks. Outside of Bush, the rest would be third rounders or below in an ordinary year.
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    I don't agree with that at all. In fact, I think Laurence Maroney and DeAngelo Williams will be better Pro RBs than Bush. Throw in guys like White, Moore, Addai, Michael Bush, Lundy, Riggs, Daniels, and Mike Bell, and I think this could be a very deep draft of quality RBs. Of course, four of those guys are juniors, and another four are coming off injuries, but there's at least as much talent as last year out there.
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    Bernard Pollard (SS) Purdue and Roach (ILB) Alabama would be a nice draft. Not sure if they would fall that low but one can dream. Kiwunuka from BC would be nice too.
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    CUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He's Ron Borges poisonous!
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    Starks 2006 salary is $3.6M. His cap hit is $5.1M. Cutting him ($1.5M dead money hit) - priceless. The $3.6 you save on the cap, added to the $2M+ cap savings of not carrying Ty Poole on IR for yet another season, should pay for a pretty good CB. Why that's nearly Ty Law money!
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    Pollard and Roach are guys I like so that accounts for picks #3b and #4a, Whodo you get with the other first day picks?

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