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Can anyone keep the Pats out of SB51?


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Tom Brady.

If he has a Manningesque drop off that could derail the Super Bowl 51 chances. See also Favre's 2009->2010 drop off.

Relying on a 39 year old QB to continue playing at or near MVP levels is certainly a risk.


We have been hearing this ever since Bradys knee injury and if anything he has been getting better, imo he has earned the benefit of the doubt and any drop off will be very slow and incremental. It will not be like Manning whose arm went dead a year after the spine fusions. Manning had significant nerve damage and that is something that is almost impossible to recover from. The analogy simply is not there. Bradys game is built on understanding defense's, accuracy, the quickest release in football, and exceptional pocket awareness and the ability to elude the pass rush without actually running the ball. And watching Brady play in recent years his arm actually looks stronger and his pocket awareness continues to get better and there has been no drop off in any area of his game. Will he last forever? Obviously not. Has he shown any sign of deterioration? None whatsoever.

My personal belief is that Brady is breaking the mold because of the way he cares for himself and that his focus on core strength, pliability, and flexibility (as week as his relentless work on his mechanics) is not only preserving his arm but Is actually making it better. And that same focus and hard work is what has allowed him to take the beatings he sometimes has to endure without breaking. There were a number of hits he took last season where he was hit from both sides at the same time and walked away from it when most QBs would have broken. I always believed Brady was being somewhat idealistic when he talked of playing until he was 45 and now I'm actually starting to believe that he could very well achieve that goal, especially if they can develop a really good OL over the next two seasons. And while I realize that's really pushing the limits I think that if anyone can do it Brady can, and if anyone has earned the benefit of the doubt it's also Brady.
 
I love the roster so far in the offseason. This team is stacked! My biggest concern is the schedule and injuries. Getting homefield is going to be a battle. I think the Pats have 3 west coast games (Arizona, Denver, 49ners). Playing at Pittsburgh and the 3 division road games are always tough. Ravens, Bengals and Seahawks at home is tough too. I think this will be one of the toughest schedules BB and Brady have ever had. This could be a good thing because the 14 schedule was brutal and I think it helped them in the Ravens and SB game.
 
I didn't say the Broncos this year. The Broncos line from last year. Also, Solder isn't that great of a tackle. Volmer is 32 with injury problems. They are good but can be exposed and have been. Brady got murdered in the SB against Seattle and he had Solder and Volmer. People seem to forget him getting drilled on almost every play even the quick ones.

The o-line and lack of an effective run game is a massive problem. Had they been able to run at the Denver ends then maybe the rush slows down. Same as Seattle. Nothing has changed. Solder isn't the answer and I am having doubts about Vollmer physically.

When you have a 39 year old QB line problems or questions are not where you want to be.

Solder is far better than people give him credit for. I would say he is an above average to well above average LT.

Also, saying Brady got murdered in the Super Bowl is a huge overstatement. He was sacked once and completed 74% of his passes. Sure, he got hit 7 times, but he passed 50 times. Percentage-wise, Russell Wilson was hit far more more per pass than Brady. He only passed 21 times and he was sacked 4 times and hit 4 other times. And don't forget that Seattle's defense gets to almost every QB.

The loss of Solder was a big reason for the lack of run blocking.

And nothing has changed is also a huge misinterpretation of the facts. No matter what you think of Solder, he is a massive improvement over Marcus Cannon or Cameron Flemming. That is the equivalent of replacing Solder with Orlando Pace in his prime. Again, Solder is an above average starter and Cannon and Flemming are marginal back ups.

And don't count out the return of Scar making this o-line much, much better. He is the guy who made guys like Adrian Klemm, Tom Ashworth, and others decent starters. He is arguably one of the best o-line coach in NFL history. He makes this o-line much, much better.
 
Pats have to get home field to win the Super Bowl. They are not a great road team. This year's schedule is very difficult. I wouldn't like the Pats chances at Arrowhead or Mile High.
 
We have been hearing this ever since Bradys knee injury and if anything he has been getting better, imo he has earned the benefit of the doubt and any drop off will be very slow and incremental. It will not be like Manning whose arm went dead a year after the spine fusions. Manning had significant nerve damage and that is something that is almost impossible to recover from. The analogy simply is not there. Bradys game is built on understanding defense's, accuracy, the quickest release in football, and exceptional pocket awareness and the ability to elude the pass rush without actually running the ball. And watching Brady play in recent years his arm actually looks stronger and his pocket awareness continues to get better and there has been no drop off in any area of his game. Will he last forever? Obviously not. Has he shown any sign of deterioration? None whatsoever.

My personal belief is that Brady is breaking the mold because of the way he cares for himself and that his focus on core strength, pliability, and flexibility (as week as his relentless work on his mechanics) is not only preserving his arm but Is actually making it better. And that same focus and hard work is what has allowed him to take the beatings he sometimes has to endure without breaking. There were a number of hits he took last season where he was hit from both sides at the same time and walked away from it when most QBs would have broken. I always believed Brady was being somewhat idealistic when he talked of playing until he was 45 and now I'm actually starting to believe that he could very well achieve that goal, especially if they can develop a really good OL over the next two seasons. And while I realize that's really pushing the limits I think that if anyone can do it Brady can, and if anyone has earned the benefit of the doubt it's also Brady.

This is called optimism, Ivan. Quarterback drop offs have historically been very fast and very hard. The key to Brady's career extending will be improving the OL and the running game. No quarterback his age can consistently withstand the amount of hits he took in 2015.
 
You could say that the Pats were kept out of last year's SB because of teams like the Eagles and Dolphins. If they win either of those games they probably make it to the SB, and considering Cam Newton's meltdown, they probably would have won it.
No matter how much I want to agree with everything you say, it's still "woulda, coulda, shoulda." I'd even add that we fumbled away the first Denver game and that we should have "gone for three" in the AFCCG, but it won't do us a bit of good.
 
We would have secured HFA in that regular season game against them but for a ref screw job. They would not have beaten us at Foxboro in the AFCCG. So YES, the refs DID keep us out of SB50.
I think there was a fumble somewhere in there, if my memory serves me correctly...
 
I think there was a fumble somewhere in there, if my memory serves me correctly...

Harper's muff didn't help matters but I contend that the phantom OPI's and non-calls are what did us in.
 
Yes that unforgiving circumstance is Injuries.
That's the only thing that stopped the Pats last year. Most injured team in the NFL (man games lost). Even IF they had HALF of their guys that were on IR, the Pats win it all. Hell, even with all of those injuries, they were 3 points away from going to the SB. Not saying they would have crushed Carolina, Pats D isn't as stifling as Denver's, but they certainly had a better offense. So maybe it wouldn't have been 24-10 in the Pat's favor, but I wouldn't have been shocked by a 30-20 or 27-17 Pats win. Hell, if the Pats had Solder, Wendell, Blount and Lewis, I don't see ANY team that would have beaten the Pats.
 
We would have secured HFA in that regular season game against them but for a ref screw job. They would not have beaten us at Foxboro in the AFCCG. So YES, the refs DID keep us out of SB50.

Don't be ridiculous, by that logic half the teams in the league can find some warped series of events that would have their team lifting the Lombardi. The team that hoists the Lombardi is the ones that overcomes everything from injuries and bad luck to bad weather and bad calls. It's not a debating trophy. Just as Seahawks fans have no right crying about the Patriots championship Patriot fans have no right to cry about the Broncos championship.
 
Tom Brady.

If he has a Manningesque drop off...

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The Broncos beat the Patriots, period, that wasn't on the refs.
Agreed, I know the fault squarely lies at the feet of the Pats themselves, but I was referring to the regular season game that the refs definitely handed to Denver on a silver platter. Ultimately giving them home-field advantage in the playoffs.
 
This was the worst offensive line in the NFL last season down the stretch against one of the better defensive fronts in the entire league. Of course they would have gotten pressure on Brady regardless of whether or not both teams were at home.

I didn't say they wouldn't have gotten ANY pressure. However if they weren't able to read stork in NE the amount of pressure would have been a lot less. It would have likely resulted in a NE win.
 
Pats have to get home field to win the Super Bowl. They are not a great road team. This year's schedule is very difficult. I wouldn't like the Pats chances at Arrowhead or Mile High.

The past 3 years that is absolutely true as they have gone 14-10 and in the BB era on the road have gone 2-3.
 
The Ravens were injured worse even than the Pats last season. But they ate up the Steelers with Ryan Mallett playing pitch-and-catch with Kamar Aiken. They are always a tough out for the Pats -- as we are for them.
 
This is called optimism, Ivan. Quarterback drop offs have historically been very fast and very hard. The key to Brady's career extending will be improving the OL and the running game. No quarterback his age can consistently withstand the amount of hits he took in 2015.

I don't disagree that it's based on optimism but it's also based upon the belief that Bradys training program is unlike any QB before him and if he's right about it then he could play as long as he thinks he might. I agree with him and believe the focus on pliability over strength training, as well as his focus on his core and his mechanics are all going to keep his arm lively long past the point where most give out. I do understand that this is not proven and that the historical evidence is all on the side of those who don't believe he can do it but I still believe he will prove the skeptics wrong.

If I were betting on it I would say 4 more years but I no longer rule 7 out.
 
It doesn't look like anyone in the AFC can. The AFC East rivals continue to be unable to threaten the Pats > Roster Reset: Can any team catch the Patriots?

The link above does not cover the rest of the conference. Denver has a QB meltdown, don't see much to fear in the AFC South. Can Pittsburgh or Cincinnati get hot? Probably not. As long as Brady can play, I expect the AFC Conference is the Pats to lose.

Two main opponents for the Patriots next year: the NFL office and Team Injury. Either one could totally submarine the Pats.

It's quite possible that the NFL office will cost the Patriots 2-3 losses right off the bat, if Brady does indeed get suspended. And then injuries could cost them a bunch more.
 
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